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12th Dec 2015, 16:02
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Posted By LowObservable

PT - Good luck with that. Unless such an...

PT - Good luck with that. Unless such an end-point has been agreed already, the price to incorporate major UK systems will be set at deterrent levels. Even so, the money-folks will not like the...
22nd Jul 2015, 20:57
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Posted By LowObservable

Ground-loadable sonobuoy chutes (as used on the...

Ground-loadable sonobuoy chutes (as used on the P-3 and derivatives). The P-8A has multi-buoy rotary launchers in the cabin that look like water heaters and can be reloaded in flight. The P-3 had a...
14th May 2015, 19:31
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Posted By LowObservable

KenV - the widely sourced OEW is wrong (if you...

KenV - the widely sourced OEW is wrong (if you compare it with 737 OEWs you can see it makes no sense). I think it is actually the MZFW. Navy said 112,000 lb ops empty.
14th May 2015, 00:34
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Posted By LowObservable

BS - Empty weight from the USN, MTOW and fuel cap...

BS - Empty weight from the USN, MTOW and fuel cap from Boeing.

Of course I don't know if the USN definition of OEW. Could be +-5,000 pounds or so depending on whether they include the pies.
13th May 2015, 19:16
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Posted By LowObservable

There are people who wish it had been done - but...

There are people who wish it had been done - but after the P-7A LRAACA debacle and the subsequent delay, the P-3 went out of production so a Super P-3 looked expensive in 2003.
13th May 2015, 17:22
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Posted By LowObservable

Unfortunately the engineering reality is that...

Unfortunately the engineering reality is that speed and endurance (particularly at low altitude) pull in opposite directions. I believe that at best the P-8A equals the TOS-at-radius of the P-3...
13th May 2015, 15:27
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Posted By LowObservable

But nobody here has been clear about what the...

But nobody here has been clear about what the :mad: the difference is between an MPA and MMA.

If it's the ability to carry a giant radar, or ASuW with ASMs, someone should say so. If it's...
12th May 2015, 16:06
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Posted By LowObservable

Puzzled by all this MMA vs MPA talk. As I...

Puzzled by all this MMA vs MPA talk.

As I understand it, MRA4 was only budgeted to be armed with torpedoes. The P-8A is designed to carry Harpoon, JSOW and mines, not to mention the AAS, which is...
5th May 2015, 11:34
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Posted By LowObservable

Betty - Thanks for the frank assessment....

Betty -

Thanks for the frank assessment. It's interesting that while the trend in all things electronic and ISR is towards smaller and smarter, P-8A is and Nimrod MRA4 was bigger/more powerful...
16th Feb 2015, 13:26
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Posted By LowObservable

The APY-10 has an air-to-air mode. I...

The APY-10 has an air-to-air mode.

I suspect the Mail should have said "lease" rather than "borrow".
15th Feb 2015, 20:10
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Posted By LowObservable

experts believe that a deal will be struck for...

experts believe that a deal will be struck for the UK to borrow a fleet of specialist US planes.

That means that the Mail reads PPrune.
13th Feb 2015, 18:20
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Posted By LowObservable

The P-1 has a 360-degree fixed AESA, I believe....

The P-1 has a 360-degree fixed AESA, I believe. And yes, there are rotating AESAs. The P-8 radar's an interesting, unique solution.

As for AAS and ASuW: 19 feet of fuselage and c. 3,000 lb wing...
12th Feb 2015, 12:10
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Posted By LowObservable

Thanks, Nimbey - one learns something every day...

Thanks, Nimbey - one learns something every day here.

But even so, an advantage to a clean-sheet approach is that you wouldn't have to put the weapons bay in the wrong end to make room for this: ...
11th Feb 2015, 17:01
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Posted By LowObservable

I don't see the A321Neo-LR as being a brilliant...

I don't see the A321Neo-LR as being a brilliant solution. However, it is a reminder that bits of the P-8A are not state-of-the-art (mechanically scanned radar) and it is compromised by the USN's...
24th Jan 2015, 13:42
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Posted By LowObservable

All very true. But things start to change when...

All very true. But things start to change when the adversary fighter changes from a Dagger to an Su-35 or J-20. In that case, contested airspace can extend a long way offshore.

Random What-If:...
23rd Jan 2015, 13:34
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Posted By LowObservable

Just as we're thinking about how to reproduce an...

Just as we're thinking about how to reproduce an MRA4-type capability with the P-8, here comes the CSBA's house bubblehead to complicate the issue:
...
21st Jan 2015, 13:23
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Posted By LowObservable

The USN, back in the fat years, sent a whole lot...

The USN, back in the fat years, sent a whole lot of low-time P-3A/Bs to the boneyard and replaced them with new P-3Cs (some of which IIRC were Congressional plus-ups). Many of those stored airframes...
10th Jan 2015, 13:11
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Posted By LowObservable

The USN would be glad to slip a few of its...

The USN would be glad to slip a few of its deliveries to the right and add a few new stencils for the paint-shop.

"There is no workable alternative" is not a place where you want to be, in the...
9th Jan 2015, 12:58
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Posted By LowObservable

KenV - I'm not talking about A-kit. I'm talking...

KenV - I'm not talking about A-kit. I'm talking about the 19-foot-longer body and having to cut a hole in the rear fuselage for the weapon bay, rather than the front. When the design switched...
7th Jan 2015, 16:48
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Posted By LowObservable

Could add a bit of competition to the process,...

Could add a bit of competition to the process, although I'd like to see CF34s on it from the operating cost and support perspective. It's also nice to have four engines and not carry the scar weight...
17th Sep 2014, 20:19
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Posted By LowObservable

Beags - Love me some Airbus as much as the next...

Beags - Love me some Airbus as much as the next person, but unless you're prepared to ditch low-altitude ASW completely, the cost is going to be eyewatering. There are surprisingly few...
17th Sep 2014, 11:52
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Posted By LowObservable

RP - Basically that mix, plus Saab 2000 (faster...

RP - Basically that mix, plus Saab 2000 (faster than C295, a mini-P-3), with the EriEye as a companion for both wide-area maritime surveillance and AEW.

Boeing is now making a run at Joint STARS...
15th Sep 2014, 11:05
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Posted By LowObservable

Good point PT - forgot about the hole in the P-8...

Good point PT - forgot about the hole in the P-8 line.
14th Sep 2014, 19:52
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Posted By LowObservable

The idea, presumably, is that there will come a...

The idea, presumably, is that there will come a day when more P-8s can be acquired. However... the whole idea seems to be based on (1) minimizing upfront cash, :mad: the LCC and (2) a perhaps...
13th Sep 2014, 11:47
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Posted By LowObservable

Having talked to a couple of people who think...

Having talked to a couple of people who think they have something to offer, my sense is that if there is an AoA, it is a classic black box. You can put data in and there are not many questions being...
12th Sep 2014, 14:51
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Posted By LowObservable

I think, seriously, that the P-8A is a different...

I think, seriously, that the P-8A is a different case from the RJ. The P-8A base design is a civilian aircraft with a full FAA/CAA/EASA paper trail back to the year dot. The RJ base is a 1950s...
11th Sep 2014, 19:41
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Posted By LowObservable

I like the comment in the RJ story: "This...

I like the comment in the RJ story:

"This will augment the limited availability of detailed historical flight test information."

This sounds like "somewhere in the lower basement level of the...
9th Sep 2014, 20:49
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Posted By LowObservable

No, Betty - but 4 x SLAM-ERs or 2400 pound Captor...

No, Betty - but 4 x SLAM-ERs or 2400 pound Captor mines?
9th Sep 2014, 15:50
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Posted By LowObservable

Betty, There's a balance to be struck....

Betty,

There's a balance to be struck. One-trick ponies aren't good. On the other hand, there's also a problem with what our German friends called Tornado at one point - der Eiergelegende...
8th Sep 2014, 19:33
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Posted By LowObservable

PA - A few options, not necessarily four types. ...

PA - A few options, not necessarily four types.

One way to go is high-end ASW/MPA + a smaller type (bizjet or regional prop-based) for the herring-thieves and smugglers. Saab will tell you that...
8th Sep 2014, 11:34
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Posted By LowObservable

Much as one hates to use the corny "system of...

Much as one hates to use the corny "system of systems" thing, there's a good argument that it makes no sense to buy one aircraft to hunt subs, coordinate the search for missing yachtsmen, perform...
28th Jul 2014, 15:18
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Views: 482,888
Posted By LowObservable

Marry in haste... While an all-civvy...

Marry in haste...

While an all-civvy solution is clearly not on, is there not a case for a mixed fleet? That's certainly something that Boeing feels is on the cards for some operators (with P-8 +...
27th Jul 2014, 13:25
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Posted By LowObservable

CC - That's sad. It implies that UK can't manage...

CC - That's sad. It implies that UK can't manage itself so has to be tied to someone else's plans.

Although, considering that the UK defense budget is 10 x Sweden's and the RAF will be lucky to...
26th Jul 2014, 20:02
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Posted By LowObservable

Because if all the other kit on Increment 2 and...

Because if all the other kit on Increment 2 and onwards has to do with high-alt ASW, are you going to adapt wing-kits to Stingray, and do integration, or buy Mk54 off the shelf?
26th Jul 2014, 17:01
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Posted By LowObservable

The persistent message here is "we are going to...

The persistent message here is "we are going to buy P-8s and crew them with Seedcorn."

Fine. Low risk. The alternatives are very different to, and smaller than, P-8/MRA4 and they involve...
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