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7th Nov 2016, 08:55
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Posted By Pontius Navigator

prOOne, thank you. The answer was mooted...

prOOne, thank you. The answer was mooted recently, in recently released documents but I can't recall where, that the French represented a wild card in the US/UK v USSR scenario and I suspect that...
6th Nov 2016, 21:30
Replies: 124
Views: 52,738
Posted By Pontius Navigator

Proone, why are you denigrating the French? ...

Proone, why are you denigrating the French?

I am just curious when provocative but unsupported statements are made.
6th Nov 2016, 19:55
Replies: 124
Views: 52,738
Posted By Pontius Navigator

Interesting point of view. Why Belgium? Surely...

Interesting point of view. Why Belgium? Surely they would wish to deter another nuclear power, say UK or Germany (USAFE) or even Russia.
6th Nov 2016, 07:40
Replies: 124
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Posted By Pontius Navigator

UJ, mini keyboard. In the absence of HS' s...

UJ, mini keyboard. In the absence of HS' s popular chronology, how about:
1962 Nassau
1964 Film
1968 SSBNs
1984 V-Force
1998 Tornado

On personalities like General Jack Ripper, the RAF had no...
17th Sep 2016, 19:06
Replies: 124
Views: 52,738
Posted By Pontius Navigator

Hangarshmuffle, please remind us when Dr...

Hangarshmuffle, please remind us when Dr Strangeglove was released, when the V-Force disbanded, the RAF relinquished nuclear weapons, and for good measure, Hunt for the Red October just so we have...
15th Sep 2016, 10:48
Replies: 124
Views: 52,738
Posted By Pontius Navigator

Torn, on the last paragraph, we were dual capable...

Torn, on the last paragraph, we were dual capable with the same tactical target set as above. We were initially planned to use RB. Tengah also had two purpose built 8-ac Sqn buildings for the...
15th Sep 2016, 10:39
Replies: 124
Views: 52,738
Posted By Pontius Navigator

Ris, same time and as it was said, the V-bombers...

Ris, same time and as it was said, the V-bombers were dual capable.
13th Sep 2016, 12:51
Replies: 124
Views: 52,738
Posted By Pontius Navigator

risbutler, interesting. We used to visit Tengah...

risbutler, interesting. We used to visit Tengah to read the check lists at X-site and then Changhi where we did target study. We had routes and all.

Back in UK we later got nice shinny JARIC...
8th Sep 2016, 16:06
Replies: 124
Views: 52,738
Posted By Pontius Navigator

I have been asked about Valiant targeting. As...

I have been asked about Valiant targeting. As the Victor and Vulcan force built up the Valiants were assigned to SACEUR as the Tactical Bomber Force. They had US laybown weapons years before WE177...
3rd Jun 2016, 19:17
Replies: 124
Views: 52,738
Posted By Pontius Navigator

Not to mention the staff college

Not to mention the staff college
3rd Jun 2016, 18:42
Replies: 124
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Posted By Pontius Navigator

W C, no, just the runway, 400 yards wide and 120...

W C, no, just the runway, 400 yards wide and 120 feet deep. Bit of spoil and blow the glass out of the terminal I guess :).

Seriously, an airfield with 4 HAS spurs off the ends of the runway...
3rd Jun 2016, 15:24
Replies: 124
Views: 52,738
Posted By Pontius Navigator

Roadsters, it would have been a small town. ...

Roadsters, it would have been a small town.

At high altitude, after an evasive bomb run allowing for combat degradation, accuracy would have been better than 3,000 yards. The errors had more to...
1st Jun 2016, 11:06
Replies: 124
Views: 52,738
Posted By Pontius Navigator

Ricardian, can you explain your last? We're You...

Ricardian, can you explain your last? We're You a telegraphist. or was it a quite? Clicking on it takes you to Cold War Warriors: John Murphys': The Cuban Missile Crisis - "Execute Scabbards '63 "...
8th Apr 2016, 17:52
Replies: 124
Views: 52,738
Posted By Pontius Navigator

TLB, sorry, I was referring to BEagles post as...

TLB, sorry, I was referring to BEagles post as could be deduced from RS, DGZ and yield of 850kt cf Genie at 1.5kt.
8th Apr 2016, 07:43
Replies: 124
Views: 52,738
Posted By Pontius Navigator

I wonder what the CEP would have been. Consider...

I wonder what the CEP would have been. Consider a bomber position accurate of 400 yards, target position error iro 70 yards, you start with an error of 500 yards. What would the missile have added,...
7th Apr 2016, 19:10
Replies: 124
Views: 52,738
Posted By Pontius Navigator

@TLB, the target was also expected to be a...

@TLB, the target was also expected to be a formation of 3 or more similar perhaps to the B52 cells in Vietnam.
5th Feb 2015, 19:45
Replies: 124
Views: 52,738
Posted By Pontius Navigator

Exnomad, 520kts trumps a bomb bay every time. ...

Exnomad, 520kts trumps a bomb bay every time.

Even the Buccaneer needed underwing pylons for its 'defensive aids suite'
4th Feb 2015, 19:49
Replies: 124
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Posted By Pontius Navigator

Can't see ORACs link but the F102/106 could have...

Can't see ORACs link but the F102/106 could have used the Genie, rather good for disrupting a bomber cell.

In the early 50s SAC had planned for mutually supporting bomber groups with only some...
4th Feb 2015, 19:45
Replies: 124
Views: 52,738
Posted By Pontius Navigator

Exnomad, you are correct that a free-fall WE177...

Exnomad, you are correct that a free-fall WE177 or its replacement would need a bomber, the Tornado is one such platform. The F35 could do the job too.
4th Feb 2015, 19:41
Replies: 124
Views: 52,738
Posted By Pontius Navigator

Batco, I think one of our NATO allies would not...

Batco, I think one of our NATO allies would not have been thrilled with your plan. While it was certainly a plan to use atomic demolition mines, Blue Peacock, which would have been on the west of the...
4th Feb 2015, 17:01
Replies: 124
Views: 52,738
Posted By Pontius Navigator

AtG, that is very much a strategic issue that the...

AtG, that is very much a strategic issue that the RAF, AFAIK, has never professed to have. Launch on warning was the only option.

Tactical missions would only have been feasible if their bases...
4th Feb 2015, 14:13
Replies: 124
Views: 52,738
Posted By Pontius Navigator

One thing about the RAF tactical nukes not...

One thing about the RAF tactical nukes not mentioned was their purpose.

Were they a deterrent against overwhelming conventional assault, against enemy use of nukes, or simply a weapon in the...
3rd Feb 2015, 17:17
Replies: 124
Views: 52,738
Posted By Pontius Navigator

The main usage has developed in the US/NATO...

The main usage has developed in the US/NATO dialogue.

Any invasion by one State against another, with conquest as the aim, is Strategic. Falklands War was a Strategic war fought at a tactical...
3rd Feb 2015, 17:06
Replies: 124
Views: 52,738
Posted By Pontius Navigator

Woptb, nawty bouy. One word: ...

Woptb, nawty bouy.

One word:

Machrihanish
3rd Feb 2015, 14:45
Replies: 124
Views: 52,738
Posted By Pontius Navigator

Reading ORAC' s reply suggests that money was a...

Reading ORAC' s reply suggests that money was a driver. There would have been a significant engineering cost in maintaining the WE177, they needed regular expensive servicing. Then the cost of...
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