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Forum: Rotorheads
9th Nov 2021, 08:56
Replies: 2,047
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Posted By llamaman

"Fostex - yes, the slowness of the response to...

"Fostex - yes, the slowness of the response to the report of land ahead steer right was dreadful. An immediate action of uncoupling and doing a rapid climbing turn would have unquestionably saved the...
Forum: Rotorheads
6th Nov 2021, 15:29
Replies: 2,047
Views: 1,307,918
Posted By llamaman

Having done SAR radar/NVG letdowns I'm convinced...

Having done SAR radar/NVG letdowns I'm convinced that a crew using the procedures and training I was exposed to in all probability would not have flown in to a large piece of rock. These guys may...
Forum: Rotorheads
6th Nov 2021, 14:19
Replies: 2,047
Views: 1,307,918
Posted By llamaman

NVGs might have saved them but there were so many...

NVGs might have saved them but there were so many other systemic and behavioural failures which are highlighted by the report. I agree that any SAR helicopter Operator routinely exposing their crews...
Forum: Rotorheads
28th Mar 2021, 00:20
Replies: 2,047
Views: 1,307,918
Posted By llamaman

I'm not entirely convinced by that argument...

I'm not entirely convinced by that argument Scattercat. You best derive Situational Awareness from your most effective inputs at that time. It could be naked eye, or it might be the sensor that's...
Forum: Rotorheads
8th Feb 2020, 16:34
Replies: 2,047
Views: 1,307,918
Posted By llamaman

It's far too simplistic to boil this down to the...

It's far too simplistic to boil this down to the last 20 seconds or so where things rapidly went wrong. No doubt there were many layers of failure starting way before the incident and permeating...
Forum: Rotorheads
18th Jun 2017, 20:52
Replies: 2,047
Views: 1,307,918
Posted By llamaman

All gone very quiet - any update on the two...

All gone very quiet - any update on the two missing crew?
Forum: Rotorheads
4th May 2017, 18:55
Replies: 2,047
Views: 1,307,918
Posted By llamaman

And therein lies the rub. We're at a really...

And therein lies the rub. We're at a really tricky stage in the evolution of aviation - getting the optimum blend of automation and manual skills is a huge challenge. There have now been a number of...
Forum: Rotorheads
4th May 2017, 18:05
Replies: 2,047
Views: 1,307,918
Posted By llamaman

I'm not convinced the accident rate stats back-up...

I'm not convinced the accident rate stats back-up the rose-tinted spectacle view Crab. There's plenty of evidence to show that a lot of aviators didn't 'get away with all that stuff' in the past.
...
Forum: Rotorheads
4th May 2017, 06:48
Replies: 2,047
Views: 1,307,918
Posted By llamaman

Interesting to see your thoughts Learner. Often,...

Interesting to see your thoughts Learner. Often, it's the subtle nuances of body language and gestures that reveal what's truly going on. This is where the investigation will have to make some...
Forum: Rotorheads
30th Apr 2017, 18:37
Replies: 2,047
Views: 1,307,918
Posted By llamaman

It seems that people are getting bogged down with...

It seems that people are getting bogged down with the intricacies of the approach this crew elected to fly.

The fact remains that, with the latitude of operational flexibility that SAR crews are...
Forum: Rotorheads
28th Apr 2017, 23:04
Replies: 2,047
Views: 1,307,918
Posted By llamaman

Your last paragraph could be a fitting response...

Your last paragraph could be a fitting response to this entire thread.

I'm not totally convinced by the 'fate' argument as I feel that this is another aviation tragedy that could have been...
Forum: Rotorheads
28th Apr 2017, 22:11
Replies: 2,047
Views: 1,307,918
Posted By llamaman

I'm not suggesting we don't look for the causes,...

I'm not suggesting we don't look for the causes, merely that the natural human reaction to want to pin blame on someone or something is not an appropriate response in this instance.

Trust me, on...
Forum: Rotorheads
28th Apr 2017, 21:24
Replies: 2,047
Views: 1,307,918
Posted By llamaman

It always amazes me how quickly (supposedly...

It always amazes me how quickly (supposedly professional) pilots on this forum are so quick to engage in mud-slinging and massaging their own egos. This is not about casting blame, nor is it...
Forum: Rotorheads
27th Apr 2017, 16:47
Replies: 2,047
Views: 1,307,918
Posted By llamaman

I'd be interested to see the procedure in it's...

I'd be interested to see the procedure in it's entirety (including any notes). To my mind the route diagram is very 'back of a fag packet' for what they were trying to achieve in those conditions.
Forum: Rotorheads
23rd Apr 2017, 21:04
Replies: 2,047
Views: 1,307,918
Posted By llamaman

Sometimes it's the 'small idiotic details' that...

Sometimes it's the 'small idiotic details' that add up to create the big incident. It's overly simplistic to cast blame purely at the authorities and the company. I'm sure that issues will be found...
Forum: Rotorheads
22nd Apr 2017, 16:23
Replies: 2,047
Views: 1,307,918
Posted By llamaman

Fair comment. Any system is only as good as the...

Fair comment. Any system is only as good as the operator; and the operator is only as good as his/her training and currency allow them to be.
Forum: Rotorheads
22nd Apr 2017, 14:38
Replies: 2,047
Views: 1,307,918
Posted By llamaman

I'm guessing by your logic Crab that all...

I'm guessing by your logic Crab that all multi-crew aircraft should still have dedicated flight engineers and navigators?
Forum: Rotorheads
21st Apr 2017, 11:44
Replies: 2,047
Views: 1,307,918
Posted By llamaman

Beat me to it. It's staggering that Captains in...

Beat me to it. It's staggering that Captains in civilian SAR are paid what they are yet seem to be hamstrung by procedures (often driven by the level/capability of modern automation and commercial...
Forum: Rotorheads
18th Apr 2017, 21:31
Replies: 2,047
Views: 1,307,918
Posted By llamaman

For those lamenting the advances in...

For those lamenting the advances in technology/automation in the cockpit I'm assuming they've not operated a latest generation helicopter.

There is a step-change in the improvement in SA in a...
Forum: Rotorheads
18th Apr 2017, 13:47
Replies: 2,047
Views: 1,307,918
Posted By llamaman

Having flown pre, post, and during the magenta...

Having flown pre, post, and during the magenta revolution and experienced the full spectrum of technology across approx four decades worth of aircraft innovation I believe it is overly-simplistic...
Forum: Rotorheads
17th Apr 2017, 14:33
Replies: 2,047
Views: 1,307,918
Posted By llamaman

There could be some cognitive issues here...

There could be some cognitive issues here regarding what the crew were seeing versus what they were expecting to see.

If I was running the investigation I would be insisting on an S92 flying the...
Forum: Rotorheads
15th Apr 2017, 22:54
Replies: 2,047
Views: 1,307,918
Posted By llamaman

Al-bert. I'm aware of that (albeit UK-specific)....

Al-bert. I'm aware of that (albeit UK-specific). If you note the tense you'll see that my comment regarding non-aviators refers to the present and not the past.
Forum: Rotorheads
15th Apr 2017, 21:55
Replies: 2,047
Views: 1,307,918
Posted By llamaman

It doesn't look like it is designed for the...

It doesn't look like it is designed for the purpose of landing at Blackrock. Merely that Blackrock is the start/end point for the procedure.

Whether the procedure the crew elected to fly was...
Forum: Rotorheads
15th Apr 2017, 20:24
Replies: 2,047
Views: 1,307,918
Posted By llamaman

To my mind that 'Operator's Route Guide'...

To my mind that 'Operator's Route Guide' illustrated in the report looks very much like a VFR approach/departure chart. Not an instrument let-down procedure. Any thoughts?
Forum: Rotorheads
14th Apr 2017, 14:18
Replies: 2,047
Views: 1,307,918
Posted By llamaman

I'd be very interested to see a copy of the...

I'd be very interested to see a copy of the procedure (and associated notes) they were following. No doubt it will be included in the full incident report.
Forum: Rotorheads
14th Apr 2017, 12:55
Replies: 2,047
Views: 1,307,918
Posted By llamaman

From HC; "Automation may cause accidents,...

From HC;

"Automation may cause accidents, but far more accidents are caused by humans flying without automation. The trick is to train to use it correctly and appropriately, not to rip it out and...
Forum: Rotorheads
14th Apr 2017, 11:26
Replies: 2,047
Views: 1,307,918
Posted By llamaman

Lots of themes to explore here. It so often takes...

Lots of themes to explore here. It so often takes a tragic accident to expose systemic failures and weaknesses in an organisation's culture and operating practices. For those that haven't done it,...
Forum: Rotorheads
13th Apr 2017, 22:44
Replies: 2,047
Views: 1,307,918
Posted By llamaman

Just for my education, why was such a large piece...

Just for my education, why was such a large piece of rock not visible on the weather radar? Surely the SOP for such a let-down is to have the radar set up in a mode which highlights such obstructions?
Forum: Rotorheads
13th Apr 2017, 21:01
Replies: 2,047
Views: 1,307,918
Posted By llamaman

Heartbreaking reading the CVR transcript. One...

Heartbreaking reading the CVR transcript. One line in the interim report stands out though and probably confirms what most of us were thinking;

"The CVR recording contains no reference by the Crew...
Forum: Rotorheads
11th Apr 2017, 16:43
Replies: 2,047
Views: 1,307,918
Posted By llamaman

The sooner the AAIU publish something about this...

The sooner the AAIU publish something about this the better. The SAR (and wider aviation) community need to know how a modern, fully-serviceable helicopter complete with a highly experienced crew...
Forum: Rotorheads
18th Mar 2017, 12:51
Replies: 2,047
Views: 1,307,918
Posted By llamaman

[QUOTE]I think challenging the strategies and...

[QUOTE]I think challenging the strategies and protocols of the SAR community and further, suggesting that a top-cover (mutual support) helicopter should not be there because it is "taking a risk" is...
Forum: Rotorheads
18th Mar 2017, 12:07
Replies: 2,047
Views: 1,307,918
Posted By llamaman

Not frequented Pprune for a while but I'm not...

Not frequented Pprune for a while but I'm not surprised to see the usual egos locking horns! Personally, I think HC has every right to question the justification for, and risk aspects of providing...
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