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7th Sep 2016, 12:44
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Posted By Wirbelsturm

Seems the TOGA inhibit was missed as discussed...

Seems the TOGA inhibit was missed as discussed far, far earlier in this thread.
Ironically the FCOM procedure states, immediately after PM positions the flaps to 20,

Verify:
The rotation...
17th Aug 2016, 10:20
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Posted By Wirbelsturm

Is there a T word ban on here as well!!!! :eek: ...

Is there a T word ban on here as well!!!! :eek:

:E
17th Aug 2016, 08:53
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Posted By Wirbelsturm

BA have been training LOFT (Line Orientated...

BA have been training LOFT (Line Orientated Flight Training) for quite a few years now, each tailored to specific flight critical and flight safety events that have occurred in the industry over the...
9th Aug 2016, 18:33
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Posted By Wirbelsturm

Because it's speculation as to a possible cause...

Because it's speculation as to a possible cause not a 'call' as the actual information from what caused the crash hasn't been made public yet. It would be inappropriate to attempt to discuss...
9th Aug 2016, 17:39
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Posted By Wirbelsturm

Cognitive failure? Close to the ground so...

Cognitive failure? Close to the ground so thought it was a standard 'take-off' perhaps? Selected Gear instead of Flaps? They've all happened before. The FDR will clear most of it up along with...
9th Aug 2016, 17:12
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Posted By Wirbelsturm

safetypee, I perfectly understand your...

safetypee,

I perfectly understand your reasoning it's just that the implementation sometimes isn't as straight forward as the engineering, both hardware and software, would want it to be.


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9th Aug 2016, 16:21
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Posted By Wirbelsturm

funfly, I agree entirely, the discussion...

funfly,

I agree entirely, the discussion there was the viability of pitching to the PFI's. The question with this event is why did the engines take so long or fail to spool up properly? Was it...
9th Aug 2016, 14:08
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Posted By Wirbelsturm

The problem is the current GA manoeuvre is...

The problem is the current GA manoeuvre is adequate IF it is flown correctly.

The past has shown that relatively simple manoeuvres are often messed up leading to potentially catastrophic events. ...
9th Aug 2016, 12:30
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Posted By Wirbelsturm

AFAIK the reason behind the MD11 crash was that...

AFAIK the reason behind the MD11 crash was that the aerodynamic authority of the tail plane to control pitch is severely reduced at below recommended landing speeds and post any bounce (where the...
9th Aug 2016, 12:03
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Posted By Wirbelsturm

A Go-Around, whether mandated by ATC or due to...

A Go-Around, whether mandated by ATC or due to approach instability, deep landing or a bounce is not, nor should it be considered an emergency manoeuvre! It is something we are all trained to do and...
9th Aug 2016, 11:31
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Posted By Wirbelsturm

A/T disengage switches are on either side of the...

A/T disengage switches are on either side of the thrust levers. Pressing TOGA will re-engage the A/T as will selecting the A/T switch on the MCP or selecting FLCH.

TOGA after a bounce will not...
9th Aug 2016, 11:14
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Posted By Wirbelsturm

Exactly! :-D Hence the requirement during the...

Exactly! :-D Hence the requirement during the climb to review and reselect lateral modes as required. Hdg Sel, LNAV etc.
9th Aug 2016, 11:08
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Posted By Wirbelsturm

Pulling up to the PFI's is the EGPWS pull up...

Pulling up to the PFI's is the EGPWS pull up go-around manoeuvre and whilst it will give you the most rapid of climbs it also can activate the stick shaker which is a huge distraction to both crew...
9th Aug 2016, 10:32
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Posted By Wirbelsturm

The experience, training and procedures are all...

The experience, training and procedures are all there and, in many airlines throughout the world, are in practice.

It's just getting the airline management to stop seeing training purely as a cost...
9th Aug 2016, 09:46
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Posted By Wirbelsturm

In our baulked landing procedure we are told...

In our baulked landing procedure we are told never to trust that the TOGA switches will function (inhibited if the ground air switches have functioned and the spoilers deployed) after a bounce or...
4th Aug 2016, 17:27
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Posted By Wirbelsturm

'Asked for a crash landing' annnnnd the Tower...

'Asked for a crash landing' annnnnd the Tower controller just gave him a normal clearance and a vacate point?

Doesn't sound like he asked for anything out of the ordinary to me! :D
4th Aug 2016, 16:17
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Posted By Wirbelsturm

I wouldn't be too quick to blame automation...

I wouldn't be too quick to blame automation dependency. The 777 AT system has some well know foibles that are easily overcome and often trained. The situation and the time line will come out...
4th Aug 2016, 13:11
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Posted By Wirbelsturm

Thanks, couldn't find it for looking!

Thanks, couldn't find it for looking!
4th Aug 2016, 12:44
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Posted By Wirbelsturm

There is a general section pertinent to it in the...

There is a general section pertinent to it in the FCTM 'Go-Around and Missed Approach - All Engines Operating'

If the sequence of events was truly as described by the FlyDubai witness then it...
3rd Aug 2016, 21:25
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Posted By Wirbelsturm

I'm afraid I'm in agreement with InSeat19c. ...

I'm afraid I'm in agreement with InSeat19c.

Whilst we all believe we will behave in a certain manner in an extreme situation we can never be sure what we will do when faced with it for real.

I...
3rd Aug 2016, 15:12
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Posted By Wirbelsturm

Unless it's windshear. In which case its...

Unless it's windshear.

In which case its call the windshear go around, hit the TOGA switches and wait/follow the FD!

Once it has been confirmed the event is over (both entry and exit!) then...
3rd Aug 2016, 14:21
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Posted By Wirbelsturm

If the Go-Around was initiated still whilst...

If the Go-Around was initiated still whilst airborne and a touchdown occured then the F/D GA mode would still be available with TOGA.

If the GA was initiated after touchdown but before reverse...
3rd Aug 2016, 13:23
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Posted By Wirbelsturm

F20 Gear down landing rate of climb for 225T at...

F20 Gear down landing rate of climb for 225T at 49 degrees gives you approx 390fpm climb at sea level.

Things get interesting if you forget to go from F30 to F20 in the Go-Around.

F30 Gear down...
3rd Aug 2016, 13:08
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Posted By Wirbelsturm

Not so sure I agree with that statement. Perhaps...

Not so sure I agree with that statement. Perhaps a heavy 773 with a single engine failure would struggle in those conditions with it's climb out limit but both engines, at the end of the flight with...
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