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Forum: Rotorheads
9th Nov 2021, 08:44
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Posted By rotorspeed

Megan - a far better way to do it would have been...

Megan - a far better way to do it would have been simply to do a let down from the NE to a point say 2nm NE of Blacksod. They would have been into wind, so with a G/S of circa 40kts, and around 2nm...
Forum: Rotorheads
8th Nov 2021, 17:29
Replies: 2,047
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Posted By rotorspeed

Apart a host of other issues, the Conclusions...

Apart a host of other issues, the Conclusions section of this report highlights that Black Rock was not in the EGPWS database, on the 1:250,000 aeronautical chart, Euronav imagery or Toughbook. As...
Forum: Rotorheads
28th Mar 2021, 17:21
Replies: 2,047
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Posted By rotorspeed

Exactly Crab, all far too slow. But although...

Exactly Crab, all far too slow.

But although all the chat about NVGs, IR and radar is certainly interesting, it just need not have been a critical issue, because the aircraft should never have...
Forum: Rotorheads
21st Mar 2021, 15:21
Replies: 2,047
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Posted By rotorspeed

It is important to remember that ultimately...

It is important to remember that ultimately responsibility for this avoidable accident is going to come down to the actions of individual persons, be they flight crew, operations personnel, or people...
Forum: Rotorheads
1st Jan 2020, 11:23
Replies: 2,047
Views: 1,307,918
Posted By rotorspeed

Indeed, Blacksod, 10nm east, was. But the...

Indeed, Blacksod, 10nm east, was. But the question still remains as to why the crew thought being at 200ft in poor vis at night, for a 10nm approach to Blacksod, was the best method.
Forum: Rotorheads
28th Oct 2017, 08:46
Replies: 2,047
Views: 1,307,918
Posted By rotorspeed

Have to say, if the crew knew of concerns on...

Have to say, if the crew knew of concerns on accuracy of charts and mapping systems it's even more surprising they chose a 10nm approach path at 200ft at night. Minimising low altitude transit would...
Forum: Rotorheads
4th May 2017, 13:16
Replies: 2,047
Views: 1,307,918
Posted By rotorspeed

A lot of risk factors have been identified: ...

A lot of risk factors have been identified:

· Insufficiently clear APBSS approach guidance chart
· Assumption that existence of APBSS in FMS database meant it was safe at 200ft...
Forum: Rotorheads
4th May 2017, 07:27
Replies: 2,047
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Posted By rotorspeed

Full respect for your depth and open-minded...

Full respect for your depth and open-minded consideration Learner, but surely the concept of the flight crew relying on a gesture/s to signal something as fundamental as a radar return that could be...
Forum: Rotorheads
30th Apr 2017, 22:27
Replies: 2,047
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Posted By rotorspeed

S&R - my view (and I think that of some others)...

S&R - my view (and I think that of some others) is that this APBSS routing was not created for these SAR aircraft as an approach to Blacksod, but is just a long established old VFR route between two...
Forum: Rotorheads
30th Apr 2017, 14:29
Replies: 2,047
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Posted By rotorspeed

Had this APBSS approach not existed, any views on...

Had this APBSS approach not existed, any views on what sort of approach are they likely to have made to Blacksod?
Forum: Rotorheads
29th Apr 2017, 21:37
Replies: 2,047
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Posted By rotorspeed

Gouli What exactly do you mean when you talk...

Gouli
What exactly do you mean when you talk about an approach being conducted "from 500ft"?
Forum: Rotorheads
29th Apr 2017, 14:59
Replies: 2,047
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Posted By rotorspeed

I suspect a significant factor here with regard...

I suspect a significant factor here with regard to SAR ops will turn out to be R116's crew's familiarity with the type of mission they were scrambled to. Those aircraft on the west coast are a lot...
Forum: Rotorheads
29th Apr 2017, 07:04
Replies: 2,047
Views: 1,307,918
Posted By rotorspeed

What is the UK SAR safety record over say the...

What is the UK SAR safety record over say the last 25 years? Do those working within it feel particularly vulnerable with current practices, equipment and systems? Who externally would be competent...
Forum: Rotorheads
28th Apr 2017, 11:06
Replies: 2,047
Views: 1,307,918
Posted By rotorspeed

DB Have to say I think your summary was...

DB

Have to say I think your summary was refreshingly clear, rationale and objective. Regretfully for the crew, I totally agree with you. We should use this to remind us all that we could be...
Forum: Rotorheads
27th Apr 2017, 10:32
Replies: 2,047
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Posted By rotorspeed

Agree Crab - lighthouse is almost incidental. ...

Agree Crab - lighthouse is almost incidental.

Back to the beginning of events, and basic procedure, would the Dublin SAR base have included a 250k or 500k VFR chart of Ireland pinned on the wall?...
Forum: Rotorheads
24th Apr 2017, 09:58
Replies: 2,047
Views: 1,307,918
Posted By rotorspeed

gulliBell You could be right ref that the...

gulliBell

You could be right ref that the PIC thought the feature and waypoint were not co-located, but I'm not so sure. They were actually over the rocks that triggered the ALTITUDE alert just...
Forum: Rotorheads
24th Apr 2017, 08:21
Replies: 2,047
Views: 1,307,918
Posted By rotorspeed

Thanks Crab, appreciate your very helpful...

Thanks Crab, appreciate your very helpful response, which confirms that SAR let downs can be in 0/0 conditions and 0.5nm offshore was your minimum. Presumably the S92 is even better equipped than the...
Forum: Rotorheads
23rd Apr 2017, 21:41
Replies: 2,047
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Posted By rotorspeed

Crab Of course it was a somewhat rhetorical...

Crab
Of course it was a somewhat rhetorical question - I would have been very surprised if a SAR approach couldn't have been made with a 500ft or less cloudbase.

But perhaps you could be...
Forum: Rotorheads
23rd Apr 2017, 21:06
Replies: 2,047
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Posted By rotorspeed

When there is a SAR task at night and the...

When there is a SAR task at night and the cloudbase is say lower than 500ft, can SAR crews perform the mission, and if so how, given there will be no published IFR approach to their target?
Forum: Rotorheads
23rd Apr 2017, 08:08
Replies: 2,047
Views: 1,307,918
Posted By rotorspeed

cncpc And what R118 did about 1hr 45mins...

cncpc
And what R118 did about 1hr 45mins earlier too. Same operator so same systems and approach information presumably?
Forum: Rotorheads
22nd Apr 2017, 05:41
Replies: 2,047
Views: 1,307,918
Posted By rotorspeed

Geoffers No I haven't! Don't get me wrong, I...

Geoffers

No I haven't! Don't get me wrong, I fully recognise the importance of SOPs, but I'm just trying to think of some reason as to why the flight crew opted for a much hazardous approach than...
Forum: Rotorheads
21st Apr 2017, 20:50
Replies: 2,047
Views: 1,307,918
Posted By rotorspeed

gullibell/llamaman Good to see a bit of...

gullibell/llamaman

Good to see a bit of common sense amidst all this esoteric stuff on radar operation and crew responsibilities.

What stands out from all this is that we have the nonsense of...
Forum: Rotorheads
21st Apr 2017, 09:06
Replies: 2,047
Views: 1,307,918
Posted By rotorspeed

The associated notes to the APBSS chart are...

The associated notes to the APBSS chart are clearly going to be critical - what did they say, and were they read. Given that these were standard notes presumably available to all flight crew and...
Forum: Rotorheads
20th Apr 2017, 06:51
Replies: 2,047
Views: 1,307,918
Posted By rotorspeed

Sunnywa seems to have the most logical...

Sunnywa seems to have the most logical explanation regarding why the APP1 approach was used to 200ft then the APBSS route guide towards Blacksod. In summary the crew knew (a) APBSS was probably VFR,...
Forum: Rotorheads
18th Apr 2017, 09:16
Replies: 2,047
Views: 1,307,918
Posted By rotorspeed

I'm staggered at the number of posts about radar...

I'm staggered at the number of posts about radar operation and differing views and understanding about it - it is obviously very complex. It therefore seems all the more extraordinary that a crew...
Forum: Rotorheads
17th Apr 2017, 10:32
Replies: 2,047
Views: 1,307,918
Posted By rotorspeed

There is clearly a great deal of S92 SAR...

There is clearly a great deal of S92 SAR expertise following this thread. The co-pilot, who was monitoring the radar, called a "small target at 6 miles at 11 o'clock" when they were 1 mile west of...
Forum: Rotorheads
15th Apr 2017, 14:06
Replies: 2,047
Views: 1,307,918
Posted By rotorspeed

It is clear the captain did know that BLKMO was...

It is clear the captain did know that BLKMO was not just a waypoint over the sea but an island, because when the CVR picks up the ALTITUDE call out, she says: "Eh just a small little island.......
Forum: Rotorheads
14th Apr 2017, 17:03
Replies: 2,047
Views: 1,307,918
Posted By rotorspeed

SAS "One Man's Opinion here.....this Crew...

SAS

"One Man's Opinion here.....this Crew were handed a Time Bomb by Management, Training, and Safety. The Operator failed to change from old ways and failed to embrace new technology that...
Forum: Rotorheads
14th Apr 2017, 12:50
Replies: 2,047
Views: 1,307,918
Posted By rotorspeed

I'm slightly concerned at the amount of finger...

I'm slightly concerned at the amount of finger pointing already at systemic failure and management responsibility for this. Fundamentally the accident happened because the crew deliberately descended...
Forum: Rotorheads
13th Apr 2017, 23:01
Replies: 2,047
Views: 1,307,918
Posted By rotorspeed

I'm surprised this approach didn't have any...

I'm surprised this approach didn't have any heights specified. Is that normal for this SAR operation? What's the point of an approach, clearly intended for IMC let downs, without associated heights?...
Forum: Rotorheads
13th Apr 2017, 22:01
Replies: 2,047
Views: 1,307,918
Posted By rotorspeed

Obviously the omission of Blackrock in the EGPWS...

Obviously the omission of Blackrock in the EGPWS database is bad, but Blackrock was featured on the more detailed of the 5 charts in the moving map system, which was being displayed on one of the...
Forum: Rotorheads
2nd Apr 2017, 19:00
Replies: 2,047
Views: 1,307,918
Posted By rotorspeed

Mitchaa I'm really struggling to think why a...

Mitchaa
I'm really struggling to think why a standard approach to Blacksod would be via Blackrock, as you say you think happened. If it was good VFR you'd not need the Blackrock light as you'd have...
Forum: Rotorheads
26th Mar 2017, 12:33
Replies: 2,047
Views: 1,307,918
Posted By rotorspeed

Henra I was not suggesting at all that the...

Henra
I was not suggesting at all that the potentially unnecessary despatching of R166 was anything to do with the cause of the accident - which of course it wasn't. I raised the issue as a...
Forum: Rotorheads
26th Mar 2017, 01:03
Replies: 2,047
Views: 1,307,918
Posted By rotorspeed

Given the information from Bayerische in post...

Given the information from Bayerische in post 571, which confirms that the thumb injury was quite modest, the patient even only needing road ambulance from Blacksod, it is clear a review of the...
Forum: Rotorheads
25th Mar 2017, 07:14
Replies: 2,047
Views: 1,307,918
Posted By rotorspeed

DB It probably won't surprise you to know that...

DB
It probably won't surprise you to know that I've never been involved in SAR missions, so could you expand on what the role of top cover is, and what determines the necessity of its use -...
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