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Forum: Rumours & News

15th May 2013, 17:27

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Lionair plane down in Bali.

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Posted By pattern_is_full

The change in average VS, from ~700 fpm to ~1000...

The change in average VS, from ~700 fpm to ~1000 fpm, coincides exactly with the PF going to "manual control" at 550 feet. As does the consequent steepening of the glide path (Figures 2 & 8) - which...

Forum: Rumours & News

8th May 2013, 02:35

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Lionair plane down in Bali.

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Posted By pattern_is_full

"Cartwheeling" is probably the wrong term -...

"Cartwheeling" is probably the wrong term - "Ground Loop" (or "Reef Loop" if you prefer) probably better fits what happened.

I have my doubts that it was an intentional manuever - but it did...

Forum: Rumours & News

14th Apr 2013, 18:47

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Lionair plane down in Bali.

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Posted By pattern_is_full

I suspect he was assuming a pure water impact,...

I suspect he was assuming a pure water impact, and missed the fact that this aircraft landed in shallow water with a lot of obstructions (reefs and rocks) that would make for uneven forces on the...

Forum: Rumours & News

13th Apr 2013, 19:45

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Lionair plane down in Bali.

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Posted By pattern_is_full

Wind Shear

...is certainly not to be ruled out (yet), although the METAR posted earlier showed "NOSIG."

The event as reported so far (including rain columns visible in the background of the picture) is...

Forum: Rumours & News

13th Apr 2013, 18:03

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Lionair plane down in Bali.

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Posted By pattern_is_full

Witness after witness (passengers and...

Witness after witness (passengers and ground-based) report the plane "dropped" into the water BEFORE reaching the runway. I.E. - NOT an overrun.

One eyewitness perhaps can be discounted as...

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