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16th May 2012, 05:52
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Posted By ATC Watcher

Well, it would appear at least some have learned...

Well, it would appear at least some have learned from this crash anyway ;

Yesterday evening the newly elected French President Hollande was inaugurated and flew to Berlin to meet Chancelier...
29th Jan 2011, 09:36
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Views: 541,571
Posted By ATC Watcher

Franzl, Kontrolor, you're both right in your own...

Franzl, Kontrolor, you're both right in your own field. You're not any longer looking at responsibilities , but what could have been done to prevent this tragedy, right ?
Yes ATC could have done...
24th Jan 2011, 09:16
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Views: 541,571
Posted By ATC Watcher

:ok: Ah TFN ! ....with its famous StatoCu...

:ok:

Ah TFN ! ....with its famous StatoCu "sitting" suddendly on the runway.

This thread is slowly but surely going to end up in jetblast . Plus there is nothing new since a few pages.
21st Jan 2011, 07:40
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Views: 541,571
Posted By ATC Watcher

Alice025, I understand what you are trying to...

Alice025, I understand what you are trying to say, but International (civil) ATC procedures and Low visibility Operations abide to strict rules . There is no room for " feelings " to be expressed...
20th Jan 2011, 21:38
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Views: 541,571
Posted By ATC Watcher

zbychus I do not think so...

zbychus

I do not think so either.definitively not in the sense of a PAR or an SRA APP as described by ICAO , ( no GCA in civil operations , only PAR and SRA)

We seem to have determined ...
19th Jan 2011, 08:44
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Views: 541,571
Posted By ATC Watcher

Kulverstukas Unfortunately Russian is not one...

Kulverstukas
Unfortunately Russian is not one of the languages I understand well, and I am also not familiar with Rusian civil and military phraseology and procedures. So I am only guessing from my...
19th Jan 2011, 06:54
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Views: 541,571
Posted By ATC Watcher

Kulverstukas: I have difficulty believing...

Kulverstukas:

I have difficulty believing this. That info (execpt the minimas) is in the PLN. That would mean they did not get the PLN ? ( AFTN u/s or no longer valid ?) doubt it.
What I...
14th Jan 2011, 12:59
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Views: 541,571
Posted By ATC Watcher

andrasz : ::D:D:D And may the Polish Air Force...

andrasz : ::D:D:D
And may the Polish Air Force learn the lessons this time.
14th Jan 2011, 09:56
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Posted By ATC Watcher

SadPole : You are absolutely right !...

SadPole :


You are absolutely right ! Unfortunately Politicians have too often an Ego bigger that the aircraft they are in.

I am waiting to read the transcripts of the ATC tapes.
14th Jan 2011, 07:57
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Posted By ATC Watcher

criss :Flightplas was "M", no PLF flights operate...

criss :Flightplas was "M", no PLF flights operate as "G" - but that's quite irrelevant.

Not really in the context of the Polish side now claiming that the controller should have refused the...
13th Jan 2011, 22:18
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Views: 541,571
Posted By ATC Watcher

SadPole : Pity copy of the Flight plan is...

SadPole :

Pity copy of the Flight plan is not annexed in the report. The box "Type of Flight " would clear that up. I bet you it does not say "M" ( Military) and that it was a GAT flight plan and...
13th Jan 2011, 09:06
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Views: 541,571
Posted By ATC Watcher

N.O.D. :very true and well said ! andrasz :...

N.O.D. :very true and well said !

andrasz : You're correct, I edited my post accordingly. This is the Polish Military who migh not accept this "go around" order ( like most western military would...
13th Jan 2011, 07:39
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Views: 541,571
Posted By ATC Watcher

Andrasz : I do not know if this would have...

Andrasz :

I do not know if this would have changed anything and this is accepted in Poland Air force (*) . In many Countries (my own ,and I suspect valid for rest of NATO Countries) a TWR...
13th Jan 2011, 07:09
Replies: 1,860
Views: 541,571
Posted By ATC Watcher

What I found extremely "sad" ( in absense of a...

What I found extremely "sad" ( in absense of a better word) is that The polish Air Force , once one of the best, has fallen so low in Safety standards and most importantly never learns apparently.
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