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28th Nov 2020, 14:26
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Posted By Engines

Sky, Good post, and you're quite correct,...

Sky,

Good post, and you're quite correct, there is plenty more to be found in the FOIs.

I'm posting again, because I want to to attempt to 'square the circle' with Tuc and Chug. I'd also urge...
27th Nov 2020, 14:23
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Posted By Engines

Gents, I wanted to hold back for a bit here,...

Gents,

I wanted to hold back for a bit here, to see if anyone picked up on what I thought (happy for others to disagree) was the key aspect of the ATC Glider Scandal (and yes, I think it merits...
30th May 2020, 13:20
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Posted By Engines

Guys, The reasons for this sad and wholly...

Guys,

The reasons for this sad and wholly avoidable episode aren't a 'mystery'. The way to fix this didn't require 'guts', and it didn't need anyone to 'sign it off'. Perhaps I can help explain.
...
3rd Mar 2020, 13:57
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Posted By Engines

Just a brief post: Note the spin on this...

Just a brief post:

Note the spin on this announcement. The Vigilants are, apparently, 'former MOD gliders'. Actually, they are 'former RAF gliders'. The words 'Royal Air Force' don't appear...
2nd Mar 2020, 13:44
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Posted By Engines

Gents, Responding to Pobjoy's, Chugalug's...

Gents,

Responding to Pobjoy's, Chugalug's and Tuc's recent posts: I'm sorry to restate stuff I've previously posted, but trying to pin this on greedy contractors and contractorisation in general...
17th Feb 2020, 12:25
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Posted By Engines

Campbeex, I thought i'd respond to your...

Campbeex,

I thought i'd respond to your mention - as ever, I hope that my occasional contributions might be of some use.

Here's a thought - how about a substantial effort by the PPrune...
20th Jun 2019, 10:56
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Posted By Engines

Chug, Thank you for coming back - I thought...

Chug,

Thank you for coming back - I thought I should respond to your post.

I don't think that I have ever said that the UK's problems with military airworthiness were ever 'a scandal solely...
19th Jun 2019, 16:42
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Posted By Engines

As I've posted before, the responsibility for the...

As I've posted before, the responsibility for the 'hash' (actually a complete c*********k) made of ATC glider and maintenance records lies squarely with the RAF, not Serco. When you contract out a...
10th Dec 2018, 08:50
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Posted By Engines

Tuc, Chug and others, My final post here for...

Tuc, Chug and others,

My final post here for some time - Christmas coming and all that.

I certainly don't dispute that there has been long-term mismanagement and very probably malfeasance in...
8th Dec 2018, 20:37
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Posted By Engines

Adcuratio, Thank you for responding, and...

Adcuratio,

Thank you for responding, and adding another piece of the story - I suspected that 2FTS had carried out some form of audit in early 2014, your confirmation helps complete the picture....
5th Dec 2018, 15:43
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Posted By Engines

Fitter and others: Having followed this saga...

Fitter and others:

Having followed this saga fairly closely, and having obtained a number of documents under FoI, I've learned to look hard at any public statements about it. For what they're...
9th Nov 2018, 20:28
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Posted By Engines

Multum, I'd just like to come back to say...

Multum,

I'd just like to come back to say that during my career I worked with many RAF engineers and organisations. I regularly encountered really excellent standards, and almost all of the time,...
9th Nov 2018, 15:31
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Posted By Engines

Multum, I'd like, if I may, to make a couple...

Multum,

I'd like, if I may, to make a couple of observations here. Yes, the RAF organisation needs to look forward and change to meet new needs. It also needs to look back and make sure that what...
2nd Jul 2018, 18:11
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Posted By Engines

Perhaps I could offer a couple of thoughts as...

Perhaps I could offer a couple of thoughts as this sorry saga nears its end. It's just over two years ago that the hapless Minister was made to stand up in Parliament and announce that:
...
14th May 2018, 19:48
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Posted By Engines

LJ: Thanks for coming back. I apologise for...

LJ:

Thanks for coming back. I apologise for not being more clear when I posted my thoughts on military aircraft registration. What I was (badly) trying to put over was that if the RAF spent public...
13th May 2018, 08:18
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Posted By Engines

LJ (and others), I sincerely apologise if my...

LJ (and others),

I sincerely apologise if my posts have come across as 'witch hunting', and as an ex-Air Cadet who flew in T21s and Sedberghs at Manston many years ago I fully appreciate your...
12th May 2018, 08:54
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Posted By Engines

Tuc, I fully agree that the MoD/MAA are not...

Tuc,

I fully agree that the MoD/MAA are not equipped, nor are they inclined, to conduct the sort of investigation required - that's why I suggested a Commons Committee inquiry. Yes, this is just...
12th May 2018, 08:14
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Posted By Engines

A&C's post is very understandable, but it might...

A&C's post is very understandable, but it might help to offer a couple of points:

It's only two years since, with much fanfare and a notable absence of RAF officers taking any responsibility, a...
11th May 2018, 09:44
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Posted By Engines

The last post from LFH appears (note - appears)...

The last post from LFH appears (note - appears) to confirm a suspicion that I've had for some days since the announcement of the Vigilant withdrawal from service. Why the immediate cessation of...
27th Apr 2018, 15:35
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Posted By Engines

Perhaps I could offer a couple of observations...

Perhaps I could offer a couple of observations here.

In my view ( based on a fair amount of research) the problems with the ATC glider fleet started in the 80s with a rushed procurement of a large...
13th Feb 2018, 15:01
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Posted By Engines

May I add my sincere condolences. I swapped PM's...

May I add my sincere condolences. I swapped PM's with Enigma on a number of occasions, and he was always informative, helpful and friendly. As well as highly knowledgable. He clearly loved his work...
15th Jan 2018, 17:28
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Posted By Engines

Perhaps I can try to summarise the extent of the...

Perhaps I can try to summarise the extent of the scandal in as few words as possible.

What Happened:

A substantial fleet of RAF aircraft (the world's largest fleet of military gliders) was...
14th Jan 2018, 14:51
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Posted By Engines

Cats, I'd like to respond to your last post...

Cats,

I'd like to respond to your last post if I may. There IS something unusual about the Vikings and their airworthiness regime.

First, they have been operated at increased weights, with a...
13th Jan 2018, 13:13
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Posted By Engines

Perhaps I could offer a bit of perspective here,...

Perhaps I could offer a bit of perspective here, that might help us get our heads around just how bad this scandal has been.

When the fleet was grounded in 2014, it comprised 146 aircraft. Now,...
3rd Jan 2018, 12:01
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Posted By Engines

Ageing Aircraft Audits

Perhaps I can help here. I have both of the Ageing Aircraft Audits, obtained via FOI requests. The Viking’s was done in 2002, the Vigilant’s in 2009.

I’d be grateful for advice on how to attach...
18th Dec 2017, 11:48
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Posted By Engines

Olympia, Perhaps I can help out a bit here. ...

Olympia,

Perhaps I can help out a bit here.

Tuc beat me to it with his excellent post - yes, the civil servants there in the PE were expected to carry out their duties within the mandated...
8th Dec 2017, 16:29
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Posted By Engines

There's some interesting stuff appearing here -...

There's some interesting stuff appearing here - which is good - discussion always helps clarify things.

Reasons given recently for having the ATC doing gliding have ranged from 'providing pilots...
5th Dec 2017, 20:07
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Posted By Engines

As with many of my posts on this thread, I have...

As with many of my posts on this thread, I have to start by saying that I was in the ATC and got a little gliding in at Manston in the late 60s and early 70s.

Before we start looking at how to...
3rd Dec 2017, 20:53
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Posted By Engines

A&C - Firstly, my sincere apologies for taking so...

A&C - Firstly, my sincere apologies for taking so long to reply - I've been on a short break and haven't been checking PPrune thoroughly for a while now.

The composite repair courses I attended...
2nd Sep 2017, 11:13
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Posted By Engines

Enigma and ACW, Many thanks for the...

Enigma and ACW,

Many thanks for the information. They shed further light on Ministerial statements that there were shortcomings of quality management. Sending an NCO to carry out a quality audit...
31st Aug 2017, 17:57
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Posted By Engines

I'll contribute here, but I guess I'm saying what...

I'll contribute here, but I guess I'm saying what many reading this thread are thinking. If HQAC were so risk averse, what were they doing with their own fleet of aircraft as they deteriorated into a...
14th Jun 2017, 11:46
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Posted By Engines

An interesting couple of posts on Viking losses...

An interesting couple of posts on Viking losses at Predannack.

When a military aircraft is damaged, that damage is assessed and categorised. This event sounds like a 'Cat 3' (could be repaired at...
13th Jun 2017, 09:07
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Posted By Engines

I'd like to ask the good people of PPrune for...

I'd like to ask the good people of PPrune for some help. I'm (slowly) putting together the full story of this debacle, with a view to getting the RAeS to take a formal interest, and then get the...
17th May 2017, 08:17
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Posted By Engines

If I might... The problem is not 'the...

If I might...

The problem is not 'the paperwork'. The problems are the failures of organisation, culture and competence that led to the paperwork being in an unholy mess.

Looking after the...
15th May 2017, 17:02
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Posted By Engines

Inno, Thanks for the correction. Apologies...

Inno,

Thanks for the correction. Apologies to all for my p**s poor typing and over reliance on spell check! Most of all, apologies to my many ex-RAF friends for failing to properly express my...
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