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22nd Dec 2006, 11:49
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Posted By threemiles

Where's the point? If a conventional...

Where's the point?

If a conventional transponders is accidentally turned to standby on the single turn of a button there is no sign at all but "TCAS off" somewhere.

ATC taking up the mike and...
29th Nov 2006, 09:59
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Posted By threemiles

ATC Watcher, as you have some insight into Thales...

ATC Watcher, as you have some insight into Thales systems and we have disputed about this already, can you confirm that:

the "cleared flight level" portion of the label

- can change to the...
27th Nov 2006, 20:21
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Posted By threemiles

I don't think there is anything new in there, all...

I don't think there is anything new in there, all said before and speculative. http://www.pprune.org/forums/showpost.php?p=2974761&postcount=757



TAS is not Ground Speed and cannot be taken to...
24th Nov 2006, 12:12
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Posted By threemiles

These systems are not mentioned in Doc 4444...

These systems are not mentioned in Doc 4444 Chapter 8 (Radar services, Separation) which is the base for civil international air traffic management and therefore the answer is "never". The only...
23rd Nov 2006, 15:14
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Posted By threemiles

A few more inputs about responsibilities from...

A few more inputs about responsibilities from ICAO PANS Doc 4444 Air Traffic Management

Rule on position information and reporting when under
radar

Interruption or termination of radar...
23rd Nov 2006, 07:55
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Posted By threemiles

They can play this role even when they are home....

They can play this role even when they are home. There was never any reason to keep them.
22nd Nov 2006, 09:30
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Posted By threemiles

Please, don't make it more complicated than it...

Please, don't make it more complicated than it is. This gives new arguments to those that believe in the sole responsibility of the pilots .


Never been mentioned and pure speculation, GOL was in...
21st Nov 2006, 06:08
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Posted By threemiles

The CVR was reported to be a 2 hrs type. The...

The CVR was reported to be a 2 hrs type. The initial report reported the pilots were never cleared to any other level than 370.

The inquiry of 3 controllers from Sao Jose and one controller from...
20th Nov 2006, 18:33
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Posted By threemiles

From the report "Flight 1907, leaving from...

From the report
"Flight 1907, leaving from Manaus, requested flight level 370. It took off at 15:35 o'clock (Brasília local time) and reached flight level 370 at 15:58 o'clock, on the airway UZ6,...
19th Nov 2006, 14:08
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Posted By threemiles

Depiction of the incident sequence as reported by Globo

http://i9.tinypic.com/2mq6c7c.jpg

Added: it is obvious that Brasilia called 600XL shortly before TERES to ask whether they were able to climb to FL380 as filed (would be a standard practice)....
19th Nov 2006, 13:09
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Posted By threemiles

I am not here to argue with you. You are kind...

I am not here to argue with you. You are kind enough to explain the radar and technical side of the incident. This is all taken for granted and you may be right about a lack of reliability of the SSR...
19th Nov 2006, 07:49
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Posted By threemiles

To journos

It can't be emphasized enough to those who blame the pilots that there is no alert on the flight deck that rings or an iron lady that yells when communications to ATC is lost.

When you fly on a...
18th Nov 2006, 05:25
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Posted By threemiles

I dont know Mr ATCWatcher where you have all your...

I dont know Mr ATCWatcher where you have all your knowledge from that you carry to market here but it has nothing to do with reality. Read ICAO manuals and you will realize that a loss of radar...
17th Nov 2006, 13:52
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Posted By threemiles

It took 24 minutes for Brasilia ATC to realize...

It took 24 minutes for Brasilia ATC to realize that it had lost (secondary) radar contact with 600XL.

There were another 33 minutes of time left to take action in order to avoid the collision, if...
9th Nov 2006, 09:14
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Posted By threemiles

"The control tower doesn't decide the altitudes."...

"The control tower doesn't decide the altitudes."

Flying in/out Brazil should be suspended asap if that's the opinion of the head of ATC.
3rd Nov 2006, 08:44
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Posted By threemiles

No overwork, all normal procedures, no sensation....

No overwork, all normal procedures, no sensation.

Looking to the airways chart: 370 was the correct flight level between SJC and Brasilia. Though ground track of the airway is North North West,...
22nd Oct 2006, 14:39
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Posted By threemiles

Read the other posts on the 29 pages before...

Read the other posts on the 29 pages before Simon's post, if you are not satisfied. It is all answered there. As you are not doing your business in aviation you should know that HERE is no room to...
21st Oct 2006, 20:04
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Posted By threemiles

ATC has tapes running 24/7 for all their internal...

ATC has tapes running 24/7 for all their internal and external phone and comm lines.

There are no "transition areas" between Cindactas. They have telephone lines to talk to each other as human...
12th Oct 2006, 21:05
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Views: 675,120
Posted By threemiles

Distances: BRS - 282 - TERES - 157 - NABOL...

Distances:

BRS - 282 - TERES - 157 - NABOL (UIR BDRY) -18 - ISTAR - 107 - TAROP

TAROP is abm Cachimbo where 600XL landed.
Total distance BRS-TAROP: 564 NM, MAC in the vicinity

Assuming the...
12th Oct 2006, 13:55
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Posted By threemiles

ICAO phrase is "radar contact" and also "(radar)...

ICAO phrase is "radar contact" and also "(radar) identified" but this is omitted most of the time these days.

My theoretical concern was when you lost comm and were about to leave radar coverage,...
12th Oct 2006, 11:32
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Views: 675,120
Posted By threemiles

7 minutes for radar environment 20 minutes for...

7 minutes for radar environment
20 minutes for non radar environment
Though I don't understand who tells one in what kind of environment your are?
12th Oct 2006, 11:30
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Posted By threemiles

S. Dumont, excellent post, but here's were it...

S. Dumont, excellent post, but here's were it hangs:



If that is true: until 100 NM before the collision, i.e. 300 NM or 45 minutes after BRS and the planned level change ATC would have seen...
11th Oct 2006, 17:46
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Posted By threemiles

...and after seven successful minutes of trying...

...and after seven successful minutes of trying get out of my flight level where I might expect opposite same level traffic, is that what you mean?
8th Oct 2006, 15:56
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Posted By threemiles

Absolutely. I couldn't agree more.

Absolutely. I couldn't agree more.
7th Oct 2006, 14:20
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Posted By threemiles

I was saying that even if this is usable only...

I was saying that even if this is usable only military can think this is a valid measure of air traffic control. Any civilian would not and change to procedural control as laid down in ICAO rules.
7th Oct 2006, 11:32
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Views: 675,120
Posted By threemiles

Brazilian ATCs are joint military/civil. This...

Brazilian ATCs are joint military/civil. This explains many of the oddities here.
7th Oct 2006, 09:42
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Posted By threemiles

So is that here on the tape that recorded...

So is that here on the tape that recorded Brasilia/Manaus ATC intercom?

"Hey, Manaus, this is Brasilia, we've got Legacy N600XL here at 370 or 360, maybe 350 as primary radar only, also lost vhf...
4th Oct 2006, 08:38
Replies: 1,634
Views: 675,120
Posted By threemiles

There is always a danger in this thinking when...

There is always a danger in this thinking when not anticipating that loss of radar contact or comm failure may occur at some point. Exactly the same thinking was bringing the TU-154 and C-141 down.
...
3rd Oct 2006, 20:24
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Views: 675,120
Posted By threemiles

RVSM or not, 370 is certainly not the altitude to...

RVSM or not, 370 is certainly not the altitude to go Northwest.

Given the collision site is "100 miles" north of SBCC which rounds up to S08 W56 this is 675 NM or 90 minutes flying Northwest of...
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