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Old 22nd July 2008, 00:20   #1 (permalink)
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F/O making video during takeoff/landing on B737

I came across this video on youtube and I'm still surpriced in finding that the F/O was filming takeoff and landing from the RHS!! Italian airline Air One from FCO to BRI. It's evident that it's not about a fixed camera neither a jumpseat pax filming hanging ahead the pilot. Where is safety?

YouTube - Cockpit night flight FCO-BRI

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Old 22nd July 2008, 08:29   #2 (permalink)
 
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At least he hasn't got his tackle out! (Reference to previous 'FO plus camera plus flight deck equals unhappy outcome for FO event').
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Old 18th August 2008, 21:34   #3 (permalink)
 
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Its not the first....it certainly won't be the last.

This is far more common than people realise. Don't you just love youtube
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Old 19th August 2008, 01:45   #4 (permalink)
 
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Try filming as single pilot in a small twin at 20ft (no auto pilot).
I should put that on you tube!
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Old 15th September 2008, 17:13   #5 (permalink)
 
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Its called "MULTI TASKING".

Pilots must be able to multi task in order to carry out their daily job. Videoing a departure is not "unsafe" as (from experience) I have no doubt should there have been any problems the camera would have been ditched in favour of relevant emergency actions!!!!
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Old 15th September 2008, 19:15   #6 (permalink)
 
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@BugSpeed

It it seems that you are serious. Please tell me which airline you work for so as I can avvoid them...........
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Old 15th September 2008, 22:05   #7 (permalink)
 
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How do you all know he's actually holding the camera? There are loads of cameras that could attach to his head.
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Old 16th September 2008, 00:34   #8 (permalink)
 
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Who is actually a pilot here?!! ITS NOT HARD TO FILM AS PNF FROM THE RIGHT HAND SEAT!! and as BugSpeed said "ditch it in favour of relevant emergency actions!!!!"

Who hasn't done a beat up at -20 ft and filmed it in there GA life?

GET OVER IT AND MOVE ON!!

"attached to his head!!!" HA! Maybe he was a skydiver too!!!
That would be more distracting than holding the dam thing.
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Old 16th September 2008, 10:00   #9 (permalink)
 
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I've done videos before both as F/O in many types its good and nice memories... and have done videos (as freight only onboard) as single pilot on 404 videos

besides if something went wrong I presume (as I would anyway) to drop the phone or camera right way and start work if something happened...
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Old 16th September 2008, 13:32   #10 (permalink)
 
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Whoops, sorry captain, silly me....I seem to have dropped my phone, and its stuck under the yaw pedals, just when we were having that problem with the FADEC failure on number two as well!
I thought this was a PROFESSIONAL pilots rumour network? Seems like a good quantity of people here need a stetson and spurs, not professional responsibility!
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Old 16th September 2008, 13:39   #11 (permalink)
 
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Non-PC Plod,

They are actually called "rudder" pedals - yaw is the effect of the control.

Once the engine is running, a FADEC failure, to be honest, is a bit of a non event. Hopefully the other FADEC will have taken over. If it hasn't then oh no - gentle manual thrust and monitor engine instruments for abnormal readings.

If there is a FADEC fail before engine start then you don't start the engine!

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Old 16th September 2008, 13:57   #12 (permalink)
 
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It's not acceptable for either pilot to be filming during takeoff or landing. Anyone that says otherwise really should examine whether they should be doing the job at all. There are innumerable ocurrences that will develop more rapidly than the ability to "drop the camera" and deal with it. Flying is a serious business and that's why we train so rigorously, analyse our actions, refine our knowledge and conduct ourselves professionally. We're rightly trusted by the passengers and crew.

Don't dumb it down guys, there are plenty that will do that for you.

"So Mrs Bloggs, for the benefit of the jury, did your husband often take a camera to work? I wonder what exactly he was doing when the engine failed at V1 and the captain as pilot flying experienced mild incapacitation?"
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Old 16th September 2008, 14:07   #13 (permalink)
 
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Bugspeed,

I hear what you say, but you are being a bit type-specific. The aircraft I fly have yaw pedals, not rudder pedals, and with a FADEC fail, surely it depends on what the FADEC does when it fails. It wont necessarily always go into a nice freeze, and it could spoil your day
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Old 16th September 2008, 21:09   #14 (permalink)
 
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Not quite 20 feet, but this is how they do it in Africa (B1900)

YouTube - 1900 Barrel roll

YouTube - B1900 west Africa

YouTube - Beech 1900 in Africa
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Old 20th September 2008, 00:02   #15 (permalink)
 
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Oh my god, am I really reading this? There are people here vindicating an F/O filming a landing? Please someone tell me this is a dream.
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Old 20th September 2008, 09:32   #16 (permalink)
 
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Dont worry, John R - this is a dream, where we are all "Top Gun", and we get filmed doing exciting things in aeroplanes, wear cool shades and pull chicks to a background of rock music. I think we should get someone to video a wide-bodied jet full of passengers beating up the tower at 100', then handbrake-turn the aircraft onto the parking stand before riding off on a motorbike with no helmet on.
But - in the dream we are all 14 years old!! I hope reality doesnt return!!
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Old 20th September 2008, 20:10   #17 (permalink)
 
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Capn should do the filming

I always prefer to film from the right seat, it has a better eye line.

I only need on hand to land anyway.

Then perhaps I am just too good.


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Old 24th September 2008, 00:00   #18 (permalink)
 
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put your video cam on the dash board and you can use both hand to fly the plane.
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Old 24th September 2008, 00:58   #19 (permalink)
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Cool

Simply the Best !

Like the old good days.


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Old 10th October 2008, 21:54   #20 (permalink)
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Oh dear. The point here is not just concern about emergencies, but that the FO is out of the loop as he/she is concentrating elsewhere.

The PNF should be monitoring, and waiting for the SOP calls and actions, they're not doing that if they are filming.

Yeah, we've all done it, the point is that we should not.

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