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Under US regs, one flight attendant required for each 50 Pax. not seats, but actual souls. Number of Paxs divided by 50 equals nbr of flight attendants. 52 Paxs would require 2 FAs.
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I can't speak for the B787 but while it is true to say that the CCM requirement is 1 per 50 and part thereof (e.g. 2 for 51 pax, 3 for 101 pax etc.) there is also usually an absolute minimum crew compliment for dispatch regardless of pax numbers (assuming it isn't empty).
As for the refuseniks, if they genuinely felt in danger then they were correct to leave the aircraft. However, assuming the absence of a specific violation to point to (e.g snow on the wings, out of hours etc), they immediately should seek a different career.
Calling the boss, and he most certainly is the boss, incompetent, unprofessional or reckless, requires a very good defence in any line of work. Accusing him/her of talking down to you, after you question his professional integrity, doesn't quite do it.
As for the refuseniks, if they genuinely felt in danger then they were correct to leave the aircraft. However, assuming the absence of a specific violation to point to (e.g snow on the wings, out of hours etc), they immediately should seek a different career.
Calling the boss, and he most certainly is the boss, incompetent, unprofessional or reckless, requires a very good defence in any line of work. Accusing him/her of talking down to you, after you question his professional integrity, doesn't quite do it.
Under US regs, one flight attendant required for each 50 Pax. not seats, but actual souls. Number of Paxs divided by 50 equals nbr of flight attendants. 52 Paxs would require 2 FAs.
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Surely the exact requirement depends the state of registration?
However all cabin crew /pax ratio I have come across relates to actual number of pax. As stated above 1 to 50.
Most aircraft and operators state a minimum number of cc. So anyone know what the policy of the operator is?
When it comes to things like security the cc are often in a hard place with the legal requirement to do it properly against company preasure for short turnarounds.
That said there are sadly a very small number who take great delight in doing very time consuming "thorough" searches for their own ends.
There is only one commander, he/she is not god but equally should be given the respect that that rank and position deserves. The line respect has to be earned has no place if this is the first time you have flown together. Suppose there is an issue just after you meet?
At this point we do not know the full story and I find it hard to belive that any captain would depart in this day and age with below minimum crewing.
Finally what did the FO have to say? If it was safety related I would have thought they would have had a vested intrest in raising concerns.
However all cabin crew /pax ratio I have come across relates to actual number of pax. As stated above 1 to 50.
Most aircraft and operators state a minimum number of cc. So anyone know what the policy of the operator is?
When it comes to things like security the cc are often in a hard place with the legal requirement to do it properly against company preasure for short turnarounds.
That said there are sadly a very small number who take great delight in doing very time consuming "thorough" searches for their own ends.
There is only one commander, he/she is not god but equally should be given the respect that that rank and position deserves. The line respect has to be earned has no place if this is the first time you have flown together. Suppose there is an issue just after you meet?
At this point we do not know the full story and I find it hard to belive that any captain would depart in this day and age with below minimum crewing.
Finally what did the FO have to say? If it was safety related I would have thought they would have had a vested intrest in raising concerns.
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However all cabin crew /pax ratio I have come across relates to actual number of pax. As stated above 1 to 50.
However, i do not know if norway follows those rules as for example does switzerland.
ORO.CC.100 Number and composition of cabin crew
(a) The number and composition of cabin crew shall be determined in accordance with 7.a of Annex IV to Regulation (EC) No 216/2008, taking into account operational factors or circumstances of the particular flight to be operated. At least one cabin crew member shall be assigned for the operation of aircraft with an MOPSC of more than 19 when carrying one or more passenger(s).
(b) For the purpose of complying with (a), the minimum number of cabin crew shall be the greater of the following:
(1) the number of cabin crew members established during the aircraft certification process in accordance with the applicable certification specifications, for the aircraft cabin configuration used by the operator; or
(2) if the number under (1) has not been established, the number of cabin crew established during the aircraft certification process for the maximum certified passenger seating configuration reduced by 1 for every whole multiple of 50 passenger seats of the aircraft cabin configuration used by the operator falling below the maximum certified seating capacity; or
(3) one cabin crew member for every 50, or fraction of 50, passenger seats installed on the same deck of the aircraft to be operated.
(c) For operations where more than one cabin crew member is assigned, the operator shall nominate one cabin crew member to be responsible to the pilot-in-command/commander.
(a) The number and composition of cabin crew shall be determined in accordance with 7.a of Annex IV to Regulation (EC) No 216/2008, taking into account operational factors or circumstances of the particular flight to be operated. At least one cabin crew member shall be assigned for the operation of aircraft with an MOPSC of more than 19 when carrying one or more passenger(s).
(b) For the purpose of complying with (a), the minimum number of cabin crew shall be the greater of the following:
(1) the number of cabin crew members established during the aircraft certification process in accordance with the applicable certification specifications, for the aircraft cabin configuration used by the operator; or
(2) if the number under (1) has not been established, the number of cabin crew established during the aircraft certification process for the maximum certified passenger seating configuration reduced by 1 for every whole multiple of 50 passenger seats of the aircraft cabin configuration used by the operator falling below the maximum certified seating capacity; or
(3) one cabin crew member for every 50, or fraction of 50, passenger seats installed on the same deck of the aircraft to be operated.
(c) For operations where more than one cabin crew member is assigned, the operator shall nominate one cabin crew member to be responsible to the pilot-in-command/commander.
Last edited by Denti; 21st Feb 2015 at 10:08.
For sure norwegian authorities are looking into this, they dont usually take reports about breaking rules lightly.
