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Old 28th Dec 2012, 21:49   #21 (permalink)
 
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I would have thought the cabin manager would ensure all pax remained seated from pushback or the first engine start. Also that the tech crew wouldn't call ready until they had heard from the cabin manager that the cabin was ready for take off so no crew will be standing anyway.
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Old 29th Dec 2012, 00:23   #22 (permalink)

 
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let me make it clearer...the three dings of the chime is for the flight attendants to be seated...yes we think that our flight attendants would be watching for passengers standing up after we start moving.

and when did airlines start saying: tech crew, cabin crew etc?

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Old 29th Dec 2012, 06:07   #23 (permalink)
 
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wow...never in the course of human events has so much been wasted on so little.
Possibly because the thread has wandered off centerline a little
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Old 29th Dec 2012, 20:27   #24 (permalink)
 
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'Before TAKE OFF checklist to the line'
'Before TAKE OFF checklist to the line complete'
'Cabin secure for TAKE OFF'
'Before TAKE OFF checklist below the line'
'Before TAKE OFF checklist below the line complete'

In our (mostly standard Airbus) SOP's the word takeoff is mentioned explicitly five times before we get the actual take off clearance. The company tries to mitigate this by adding 'line up only' or 'take off confirmed' after the last checklist...but that seems to me like putting the horse behind the cart.
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Old 4th Jan 2013, 16:50   #25 (permalink)
 
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Have worked for a few different outfits,

One used the little red/green flip card on the centre console for cabin secure (senior phoned the flight deck to pass cabin secure)

One used chimes AND PA (again, senior phone the flight deck)

The others all used the cabin secure button/ring, and flight deck made a PA.

However I noticed in 99% of cases where they used the PA, it was done while still on the taxiway waiting for the final turn onto the rwy so they couldn't possibly have thought they could also take off

Framer, have you never flown in Asia/Africa/Middle East? Most of the pax could not give a crap if you are about to take off, if they want to get up as the plane is going down the runway, they'll get up.... nothing to do with whether the FAs are 'watching' or not....

If the flight crew didn't get cabin ready by the last stages of taxi, they would call us, no assuming its ready. (I guess this depends on where it the checklist it is, but whenever they called me, it was well before we were next in line for t/o)
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Old 9th Jan 2013, 02:11   #27 (permalink)
 
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There never was an issue to begin with.
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Old 11th Jan 2013, 18:40   #28 (permalink)
 
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'Before TAKE OFF checklist below the line'
'Before TAKE OFF checklist below the line complete'
Standard Aribus checklist that we had on the 321 did not mention "Before Take Off Checklist" after taxy and the standard call was 'below the line checks" when cleared to enter the runway for that very reason already eluded to
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