Non-PC Plod

From the CAA's quick guide toNew European pilot licensing regulations:

" It should be noted that the CRMI is introduced by the EASA operations regulation. It is not within the EASA aiurcrew regulation and so cannot be added to a part FCL licence"

Does anyone know what this means in practical terms for existing CRMI? Do we carry on as we were, do we no longer exist, or do we have to requalify somehow under EASA operations rules? I tried a search under EASA - CRMI online, but I cant find anytrhing specifically relevant.

3 Point

This question is currently occupying my mind at work; there is no CRMI in EASA-FCL so it is not a licence rating and will not appear in a part FCL licence. So, who teaches CRM? It looks like CRM training is mandated in part OPS so the associated instructors will be qualified under some associated requirement, what? Who knows!

The CAA have submitted Stan Doc 29 to EASA as a proposed AMC but I doubt there is much chance of it being accepted by a majority of EASA countries so we wait for news ....

wap101

Please can you give the reference or copy of the documents under EASA where the word CRMI is used.

Can't find it myself although have looked some while ago when someone mentioned this at work.

WAP

3 Point

wap101, that's what I'm saying, there is no CRMI. But, there is CRM training so; who teaches it?

Shambles!

Non-PC Plod

No-one seems to know what is happening - am awaiting a response from the CAA.

Non-PC Plod

The response from CAA is as follows - it looks like no change in the near future from the UK point of view.

"Under EASA there will be no legal framework for a UK CAA specific rating to be added (i.e.CRMI Ground) however it needs to be mentioned the rules associated with EASA cover both licensing (Part FCL) and operations (Part ORO). The Part FCL requirements for CRM Instruction are contained within the requirements for a TRE or TRI (and the Class equivalent). For Part ORO the requirements for CRM ground Instructors states the Instructor shall be suitably qualified – this statement remains a challenge and it is assumed AMC material associated with this statement will be developed to offer clarification. This is future thinking



The present position is, whilst EU-OPS remains the law, the CRMI system associated with the CAA accreditation scheme remains in place (this is for CRMI Ground associated with EU-OPS). It is expected the CAA will maintain regulatory oversight associated with EU-OPS for at least 2 years after the introduction of Part ORO"

3 Point

Hmmmm.....

The CAA may wish to retain regulatory oversight under EU-OPS for up to two years but, if EASA ORO which will be the law contains a conflicting system which is advantageous to our operation the CAA will have some hard questions to answer. As I said - it's a shambles!

3 Point!

Non-PC Plod

My thoughts are that any new EASA system is very unlikely to be more stringent than the current UK system (given that it has been fairly non-existent up until now under JAA) Therefore, it is very unlikely that any new system is going to be "advantageous" for UK instructors. If anything any new system will probably continue to be a fudge to allow the current Europeanl instructors who do not necessarily have any formal qualification to continue doing what they are doing now.