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Old 2nd May 2010, 09:21
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Intersky Bombardier hits Power Cable

Swiss News are reporting that an Intersky Dash 8 en route from ZRH to EBA hit a power cable on final approach to Marina die Campo airport LIRJ on Elba Island in Italy.
The new managing director of Intersky blames the pilot,he is cited in the press saying "the plane must have been a few meters outside the glide path". (??)
Thanks God the plane landed safely.

Any experts here who have flown into LIRJ who can shed some light on the incident?
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Only news-agency and newspaper publications so far.

The ANSV does not yet show the accident but then it was 1st of May and today is Sunday.
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Airport and terrain charts here.
Selection of clips on YouTube.
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Local newspapers report that aircraft has landed with prop damage, Me thinks that even on Dash's the landing gear length exceeds the prop dia

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Easy fix. Use Crossair SB340, SB2000, & Avro RJ model: Lift carpet ... sweep under ... drop carpet!
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As Basil mentioned, there are some videos on youtube, here is one with the same A/C type and airline involved in this incident.

If you look very very closely, perpendicular to the displaced threshold is a power line. That must be the one they hit.

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If you scroll to 2:43 you see two poles below and behind the left wing.

Then at 2:59, much closer to the runway, you actually see a power line underneath the a/c.

There are also two separate power lines marked in the charts, but I am not sure if the one at 2:59 is the one referred to in the charts or not.

In one of the media reports the CEO of the airline (Bernatzik) was quoted in saying the power line was at "great height".

(I am a rotorhead and know nothing about flying planks)

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Me thinks that even on Dash's the landing gear length exceeds the prop dia
Thank goodness for that. Would make ground operations very interesting otherwise
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any pictures from the event or pictures of the damage(prop) ?
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Wink Elba

Couldn't find any historical Met data for LIRJ, prolly don't have a qualified observer, but checking LIRP/LIRF looks like a southerly wind component of between 10/15Kts, add to that the terrain to the S/E of the threshold plus the vis for those places has not been wonderful all day. LIRP 3000m in rain for instance

Flown there a few occasions in a B200, and it was certainly a challenge at the best of times.

Just happy that nobody was hurt.

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A microlight pilot witness descibes rwy 16 in use, aeroplane arriving very uncoordinated, before hitting electric wires (8 metres high) had a 60° bank, entered airport area very unsettled, touched rwy halfway down and bounced 3 times.
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if you check Incident: Intersky DH8C on May 1st 2010, touched power line on final approach

you will see where they hit the powerline: the powerline was 9 m (!!!) high and 1000 m(!!!!) from the threshold......also check the metar looking very similar to the tu154 accident recently....you wonder why they press on in this wx for a visual approach in mountainous terrain.......
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LIRX 011555Z 18013KT 0200 0100S FG VV/// 15/10 Q1013 RMK VIS MIN 0100S VIS MAR 100 M
LIRX 011455Z 18012KT 0200 0100S FG OVC001 15/10 Q1013 RMK OVC VIS MIN 0100S VIS MAR 100 M

Visual approach, microlight witness - surely.
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Me thinks that even on Dash's the landing gear length exceeds the prop dia
Thank goodness for that. Would make ground operations very interesting otherwise
I think as long as the prop radius is less than the landing gear length (or threabouts - depends what you measure it from) you should be ok.

Glad to see nobody was hurt.

Am I misunderstanding something (I'm just a SLF), or was there a tailwind? Would this perhaps have led to a downdraft as the Dash crossed the high terrain on approach?
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That would be the approach then, wouldn't it?

Following Aviation Herald: Saab 340 at Elba

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hmmm if they were on runway 16, with a southerly, .. no tailwind.
Possibly some sink in the area downwind of the terrain, or just plain lumpy when you need it least !

It is a challenging approach in the best of conditions, the S340 video shows that rather well.
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Oops, I should read more carefully - headwind not tailwind.

(SLF retreats from forum with tail between legs...)
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could you quote your source please ?

This may be a rumours & news website, but without foundation your comments are at best speculation.
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A friend of mine knows the micropilot that owns the go-kart track situated under 16 final. He contacted him by phone and got the details that have been published on an Italian forum.
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LIRX 011555Z 18013KT 0200 0100S FG VV/// 15/10 Q1013 RMK VIS MIN 0100S VIS MAR 100 M
LIRX 011455Z 18012KT 0200 0100S FG OVC001 15/10 Q1013 RMK OVC VIS MIN 0100S VIS MAR 100 M

Visual approach, microlight witness - surely."


Looks like groundfog, or fog in the lower few hundred feet. Could be very well seen by the witness if he is situated a bit higher up in the valley than the airport. question is why a professional pilot would continue an approach in this weather in mountainous terrain....Pressure from the company?

nobody any pictures from the event or prop damage?where are the spotters when you need them.......
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