Finn47

Fresh news: The European Commission is proposing new EU-wide rules on air accident investigation to be implemented.

The whole story here:

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411A

I wonder if the French will buy into this idea?

Genghis the Engineer

Two obvious features of what's described there:

(1) It's not under EASA control, and

(2) It's about networking national investigating authorities and giving them a working framework, rather than centralising them.


Both those points seem to be thoroughly sensible, and I hope it'll work well.

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SADDLER

I beg to differ with the above post.
Its all about centralistion!

Genghis the Engineer

That's certainly EASA / Europe's usual instinct - but how do you read that into the OP's linked document? I can't say that I see it myself.

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flipster

Will it prevent the proliferation of lawyers (who have a view to blame and litigation) getting ahead of and hindering the work of the accident investigators (who do not apportion blame, just seek to prevent recurrence)?

Genghis the Engineer

I can't say that I saw anything in there which either is likely to encourage or discourage that.

Personally, I think that the best way to dissuade that is through better rules mandating the circumstances and rates of insurance pay-outs, otherwise the courts will remain the main mechanism for deciding that, causing a lot of money to go into the legal process which more properly should go to people who have suffered accident losses.

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Hawk_mi kam

This is obviously a very general remark. You need to wait, hunt and gather sufficient evidence in a civil claim for damages before you can start the legal proceedings.

Where do one get his evidence in support of his claim for damages?

" You cannot get a chicken by smashing the egg. You have to wait until till the egg hatches".

Hawk mi kam

flatfootsam

Centralising the functions must be a long term objective of the EASA, with the net- working as an interim step to consolidating the various working functions. Getting it to work will be a long shot.

Regarding the liability issues read the ICAO annex (13), as it specifically states the following:

Annex 13 To the Convention on International Civil Aviation - Aircraft Accident and Incident Investigation

OBJECTIVE OF THE INVESTIGATION
3.1 The sole objective of the investigation of an accident or incident shall be the prevention of accidents and incidents.
It is not the purpose of this activity to apportion blame or liability.

Litigation, insurance payouts, liability ect will have nothing to do with the accredited investigating authority. The courts will always decide the compensation, as it has nothing to do with factual reporting and final report submitted by an accident investigation authority - it's completely unrelated

Back to the point though, a centralised function has some benefits, so not to be dismissed out of hand

safetypee

“Centralising the functions must be a long term objective of the EASA”
Isn’t one of the problems for EASA that they (Europe) are not signatories to the ICAO convention? Thus as not being a ‘national authority’ do they have any responsibility for accident investigation under Annex 13.
Currently there is no consistent high standard of accident investigation across the European nations. Many are combing their efforts, although most probably could participate under the auspices of Annex 13 – interested parties any way.
Europe / EASA need a single investigation authority, but currently I don’t see how this will occur in practice. Even if there is a central body, there could be ‘regional centres’ as with NTSB, which for lesser events can result in variable investigative and reporting performance.

flatfootsam

Good points. The contracting States are responsible under the provisions of the annex, however, EASA is not required to be a signatory as the contracting states have jurisdiction, based on state of occurance, registry ect - read the annex, it's clear enough and open to enough interpretation

There is a push on to centralise the functions; it will end up being mirrored as a function as with several other EASA operations which are running in parallel, with enough residual inertia from the individual contracting states to prevent EASA getting the unified investigating agency it probably wants - either way, it's a mess waiting to happen. The AAIB, BEA ect are very competent, so it's hard to see how centralising the functions will improve the respective processes