Bouncy Bouncy (747-8 LAX landing)
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Bouncy Bouncy (747-8 LAX landing)
DLH 747-8 Bounced Landing LAX 2024
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This hard bouncing qualifies for an immediate GA decision, right?
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This hard bouncing qualifies for an immediate GA decision, right?
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not many 747 (ex-) jockeys here, right?
I wonder if we can see when exactly GA was executed. The spoilers extend twice. When applying (TOGA-) Thrust, doesn't that close Spoilers? Or do we see the right spoiler action from roll commands?
Line Training was confirmed from Lufthansa it seems. Does that mean the PIC immediately takes control per procedure? At GA?
good question.
On the other hand, 747 has shown to be extremely robust in many incidents WRT to undercarriage. I remember a Kai Tak landing with somehow hard touchdown at published 47° crab angle. There was even a video of that.
I wonder if we can see when exactly GA was executed. The spoilers extend twice. When applying (TOGA-) Thrust, doesn't that close Spoilers? Or do we see the right spoiler action from roll commands?
Line Training was confirmed from Lufthansa it seems. Does that mean the PIC immediately takes control per procedure? At GA?
On the other hand, 747 has shown to be extremely robust in many incidents WRT to undercarriage. I remember a Kai Tak landing with somehow hard touchdown at published 47° crab angle. There was even a video of that.
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CFIR Controled flight into runway
That flare looked so late it made the bounce even worse.
pivoted the end of the plane where the gears are down onto the runway.
pivoted the end of the plane where the gears are down onto the runway.
Line Training was confirmed from Lufthansa it seems. Does that mean the PIC immediately takes control per procedure? At GA?
18 years on from this discussion of "position and hold" versus "line up", I wonder if the Lufthansa line trainee had been unsettled by SkyWest being cleared onto the runway ahead, which would have been at odds with his or her mental model if they'd understood "traffic will hold in position" to mean that SkyWest would be holding short. That's certainly how I understood it from the comfort of my chair in the UK, until I reminded myself of the US terminology after being surprised by the sequencing on the ATC playback. If that had anything to do with it, it'll be a lesson that P2 will never forget!
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I agree with what appears to be a late flare. The 747 classic is not at all difficult to land, but there is a lot of mass so energy management must be taken into consideration.
I would imagine the later models are similar.
I would imagine the later models are similar.
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We don't know if the Training cpt presented a challenge to the trainee, and whatever factor... but absent of an investigation we'll never know and anyway, it's probably not our business.
Something happens to some pilots sometimes (no accusations to this, all i know is what i see here). They fly a perfect, stabilised approach, SOP's to the letter, speed fine, altitude fine, ROD fine. BUT then they go into some sort of hypnotic trance.... they freeze, make no attempt to flare. Very odd. My father (as the flight engineer) was involved with such an event on a 707 at Nassau in the 60's so it's not new. The Captain was handling, i was told he was so "hypnotized" the first officer took control for the go around and landing.
Something happens to some pilots sometimes (no accusations to this, all i know is what i see here). They fly a perfect, stabilised approach, SOP's to the letter, speed fine, altitude fine, ROD fine. BUT then they go into some sort of hypnotic trance.... they freeze, make no attempt to flare. Very odd. My father (as the flight engineer) was involved with such an event on a 707 at Nassau in the 60's so it's not new. The Captain was handling, i was told he was so "hypnotized" the first officer took control for the go around and landing.
i was always concentrating on what i was doing, not watching other aircraft taking off.
(By the way a plane is either a flat surface or a woodworking tool, not a flying machine...)
By the way a plane is either a flat surface or a woodworking tool, not a flying machine..
https://www.collinsdictionary.com/di.../english/plane
https://dictionary.cambridge.org/dic.../english/plane
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