TAP extra long landing

[Newcomer2]

Well, that's pushing it! Tea and biscuits?

You Tube

[Less Hair]

Runway excursions are twice the fun at Madeira.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Madeir...adeira_(2).jpg

[Newcomer2]

Indeed! They touched down by the yellow taxiway sign, so farther than halfway down the runway (just before the opposite touchdown zone). This is insane, especially at this airport...

[dumbcareerchoice]

They touched down at least 4000 feet down the runway,ridiculous!Also,it doesn’t look like a stable approach.My previous airline had a policy that any touchdown beyond 3000 feet was a mandatory go around.Apparently TAP doesn’t have this.

[FUMR]

Originally Posted by dumbcareerchoice

They touched down at least 4000 feet down the runway,ridiculous!Also,it doesn’t look like a stable approach.My previous airline had a policy that any touchdown beyond 3000 feet was a mandatory go around.Apparently TAP doesn’t have this.

Do you have any personal experience landing an aircraft at Funchal? Achieving a so-called stable approach there can be very challenging depending on the conditions. Having said that, I would certainly agree that they should have gone around.

[Chesty Morgan]

Stable approach? Funchal? Good luck with that

[hobbit1983]

Halfway through watching that on Youtube, a popup appeared suggesting the next video i watch: ....

"Suggested: Go Around at Madeira Airport".

I couldn't agree more, YouTube!

[caiman27]

I was watching this Live yesterday on YT. That flight had already had a late go-around and this was the second attempt at landing.

[JanetFlight]

"it doesn't look like a stable approach"..!?
Hummmmm... Tks God it's Gatwick 👌

[Nightstop]

I’m interested in the human factors surrounding this landing (and the previous go around). Was this the Captain’s first landing in the 321 at FNC after simulator training? What was the “authority gradient” in the flight-deck, two Captains or one Captain and a brand new F/O? Pre-flight rest and roster patterns? CRM training? Any external pressures to succeed in landing, perceived or otherwise? Etc. etc.

[dumbcareerchoice]

Maybe so,but I assume TAP has a stable approach definition somewhere in their SOP’s.If there is an exception great but if not you better have a good explanation if something happens when you continue.

[FullWings]

That was interesting. I spent the last 5-10 seconds of the flypast thinking “they must do a baulked landing off this one” and they didn’t! I wonder much of the runway was left when they came to a stop...?

[ATC Watcher]

Wonderful comments from people that do not know how to fly ..Trial by youtube again .. Looking at the winsock in the end of the video that gives a clue as to what most probably hapenned. The A320 has good brakes but a go around would have most probably be better, but we do not know which fuel they had. and what the conditions were in Porto Santo. .Anyway they made it OK in the end , so good landing by the old definition.

[ItsonlyMeagain]

Many landings into FNC. The runway is a lot longer than one imagines, but the sudden drop at the end (190ft or so) should concentrate the mind.

However, as people are “specially chosen” and certified to operate there, they should know how to fly a go around/baulked landing at any airfield; there is no shame. Far too far in the float…..

Think you can get away with it? Nope, there is always someone with a camera!

Me

[Nightstop]

However, as people are “specially chosen” and certified to operate there…

I never thought of myself as specially chosen, but thanks anyway. In fact, the minimum number of Command hours on type required to be approved by the Portuguese CAA as Commander into FNC is quite low, provided the required training has been completed satisfactorily.

[Boeingdriver999]

IT’S A COMPUTER GAME! Jesus Christ can people apply a little common sense.

[Mr Good Cat]

"Fifty-forty-thirty-twenty-ten-twenty-thirty-forty-fifty"

[45989]

Originally Posted by Boeingdriver999

IT’S A COMPUTER GAME! Jesus Christ can people apply a little common sense.

Not a chance.This is simply a game for armchair warriors to criticize. Yes a go around might have been more prudent but real world senarios
take precedence. Btw A320/321 brakes are very effective.

[Greta_Thunberg]

Originally Posted by ATC Watcher

Wonderful comments from people that do not know how to fly ..Trial by youtube again .. Looking at the winsock in the end of the video that gives a clue as to what most probably hapenned. The A320 has good brakes but a go around would have most probably be better, but we do not know which fuel they had. and what the conditions were in Porto Santo. .Anyway they made it OK in the end , so good landing by the old definition.

And apparently some even more wonderful comments from people that don't remember how to fly either.

They floated WAY past the end of the TDZ, wind,brakes, aircraft type are entirely irrelevant. Float it beyond the TDZ, go around. There is no special circumstances other than a fire that would make it acceptable to do anything else. They would have never rocked up at Funchal with a plan to commit. If they couldn't have made the first approach without being forced to commit to FNC due to fuel, they made the wrong decision making the first approach.

'Old definitions' be dammed, we've learned better definitions. With all due respect, your thoughts on the matter are a little out of date.

[stilton]

Forcing it on regardless how far down the runway makes you wonder how much fuel they had left