Passengers dies Jet2 flight from Antalya to Glasgow
You and the team are going to have to change persons doing the cpr unless you are in extremely good shape.
Adjust O2 masks, loosen clothing, do lung inflations mouth to mouth, check for pulse, perhaps fit a defib. and read the instructions thereupon ect. ect.
All this in the dark in order to dim the lights for landing?
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The cockpit doors are closed, so there's little chance the light will affect the pilots. The chances of the passengers needing night vision is minimal, non existant at best. So can someone explain to me the logic of dimming the cabin lights.
In order that ones eyes are already somewhat adjusted should you need to quickly evac out into the dark.
As an example if the BA38 accident had happened at night the evac would have been into darkness, hence the procedure. There will be plenty of other examples of evacuations post runway excursions, some of them night evacuations.
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My sympathies to the family of the passenger, but also to the crew who had to deal with this incident. It is a very upsetting situation for them and who gives a $hit about lights when a persons life is on the line😳
Landing with dimmed lights only came along in the (1980s ?), for the reasons described above. I can assure you nobody was scared about the lights being on prior to this. In fact quite a number at first used to question the procedure.
I'd venture to guess that the more immediate concern is evacuating in the dark, if the cabin lights fail in an accident. That seem so go along with keeping the window shades open (at least for daylight landings).
Still, if your biggest worry after everything gets quiet is how your eyes are adjusted . . .
Still, if your biggest worry after everything gets quiet is how your eyes are adjusted . . .
All Jet2.com aircraft carry AED's. However in many cases they will not find a solution and so will not shock. Also, AED's are most effective used in conjunction with CPR - CPR pushes blood (and therefore oxygen) around the body, AED's shock the heart to try and get it restarted to push the blood itself. In my simple understanding of the terms.
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If the heart has stopped on its own that ion differential no longer exists and shocks don't re-establish it. The AED probably doesn't make things worse - except if using it delays CPR. I think the modern ones mostly detect when the heart is not beating and won't apply the shock.
Of interest: https://www.hopkinsmedicine.org/heal...-cardioversion Mostly that article is for people who aren't dying from the symptoms and are able to even schedule the procedure.
The above isn't medical guidance. Contact a licensed physician with any detailed questions.
One of the flights I was on a pax had a cardiac event. It was British Midland. The patient was lying in row one with head propped up against the cabin wall. The plane was diverted as a medic in board patient needed immediate treatment. CC insisted patient was raised and sat in seat with seat belt on. Medic said raising patient would put pressure on heart but CC insisted.
As you painted it they took the generic instruction manual over situationally specific medical advice.
Why didn’t the medic just hold their ground and tell the cabin crew to back off?
“I have been invited to assist this individual and now I am telling you what they require. You aren’t qualified to dispute it.”
I can only hope the commander would agree to take the advice.
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This is close. The AED stops the heart - this is useful when the heart muscles are contracting out of their normal rhythm. The shock causes the entire internal pace-maker system of the heart to be overwhelmed and to allow it to re-establish the normal synchronization or normal rate. This works because the there is a necessary ion exchange that allows the nerves to function and that exchange was operational in the randomness of fibrillation or tachycardia.
If the heart has stopped on its own that ion differential no longer exists and shocks don't re-establish it. The AED probably doesn't make things worse - except if using it delays CPR. I think the modern ones mostly detect when the heart is not beating and won't apply the shock.
Of interest: https://www.hopkinsmedicine.org/heal...-cardioversion Mostly that article is for people who aren't dying from the symptoms and are able to even schedule the procedure.
The above isn't medical guidance. Contact a licensed physician with any detailed questions.
If the heart has stopped on its own that ion differential no longer exists and shocks don't re-establish it. The AED probably doesn't make things worse - except if using it delays CPR. I think the modern ones mostly detect when the heart is not beating and won't apply the shock.
Of interest: https://www.hopkinsmedicine.org/heal...-cardioversion Mostly that article is for people who aren't dying from the symptoms and are able to even schedule the procedure.
The above isn't medical guidance. Contact a licensed physician with any detailed questions.
Your way of writing suggests a lay person should be able to conclude what even medical trained people don't take for granted.
Lay people should NEVER be discouraged to apply (CPR and) AED. The AED will find out itself, whether shocks should be applied or not, it's fail-safe. As such, lay people should always apply the (CPR and) AED, when the person is not breathing autonomously and (usually) no heartbeat can be found.
Even, when the AED decides to skip the shock, CPR should be continued. Lay people should NEVER give up on the CPR, unless a highly trained medical person takes over / has taken over control and/or decides differently.
It takes a suitable trained medic to conclude for a full and unrecoverable cardiac arrest. And even then, medical staff often continues with CPR and other life-saving treatment(s).
Since CPR is pretty exhausting for the ones applying the help, having at least 2 people alternating is (nearly) mandatory (of course, by lack of, etc, do with 1 person). Splitting the chest compressions and the artificial breathing over 2 people is also a good load spreading. Chest compressions are the number 1 focus, artificial breathing is only the number 2 importance.
Only once the person restarts autonomous breathing, CPR can be stopped.
I was reluctant to post given this thread refers to an actual person, but just to clarify in simple terms:
A heart attack causes collapse for one of two reasons:
1 the muscles of the heart all contract independently so there is no pump action. This is ventricular fibrillation
2 the heart stops electrically. This is asystole
The treatment in both cases is external cardiac compressions because the heart is not pumping
The AED looks for the rythmn on a built in ECG or EKG. If it detects ventricular fibrillation it will recommend a shock which stops the fibrillation and hopefully normal electrical activity restarts. If it detects asystole it does nothing as a shock has no effect.
So the important thing is to apply the AED pads ASAP as most collapses from a heart attack are initially ventricular fibrillation but in all cases start external caerdiac compressions until there is a spontaneous pulse
A heart attack causes collapse for one of two reasons:
1 the muscles of the heart all contract independently so there is no pump action. This is ventricular fibrillation
2 the heart stops electrically. This is asystole
The treatment in both cases is external cardiac compressions because the heart is not pumping
The AED looks for the rythmn on a built in ECG or EKG. If it detects ventricular fibrillation it will recommend a shock which stops the fibrillation and hopefully normal electrical activity restarts. If it detects asystole it does nothing as a shock has no effect.
So the important thing is to apply the AED pads ASAP as most collapses from a heart attack are initially ventricular fibrillation but in all cases start external caerdiac compressions until there is a spontaneous pulse
