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Old 11th Jun 2020, 09:40
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LH and SAS staff reductions

SAS have advised that it doesn't make economical sense to remain in the national wage compensation programs, and will reduce staff count by around 5.000. This is split into around 1.700 in Denmark, 1.900 in Sweden and 1.300 in Norway. SAS will not seek to extend the compensation program beyond end of June and have started negations with unions. If carried out in full, will mean a staff reduction of around 50%. Reductions will mainly affect crew and ground handling.

Lufthansa have advised they may have to reduce staff count by up to 22.000, or roughly 15% of total staff. One of their pilot unions have offered a 45% wage reduction in return for no reduction in staff numbers. Lufthansa have agreed to the terms of the 9BN support package, which will see the German government take a 20% ownership and 2 seats on the board, as well as relinquishing slots at FRA and MUC.
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Lufthansa have advised they may have to reduce staff count by up to 22.000, or roughly 15% of total staff. One of their pilot unions have offered a 45% wage reduction in return for no reduction in staff numbers. Lufthansa have agreed to the terms of the 9BN support package, which will see the German government take a 20% ownership and 2 seats on the board, as well as relinquishing slots at FRA and MUC.
Might this be a ‘model‘ for HMG and BALPA to consider by way of State Aid....?
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As a short-term measure to assist immediate cash-flow, perhaps. But you can bet you villa in sunny Troon that salary levels will never be reinstated - ever. Airlines are all too ready to cry wolf and make record profits within a couple of years of pleading 'the end is nigh' without ever reinstating the benefits that were removed. BA pilots bear the scars from the last time they bent over - and look how their loyalty is being rewarded.
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The Union isn’t really in a strong position until a vaccine becomes readily available. The Oxford team, with Prof Sarah Gilbert as a leading light, seem fairly certain that this should occur later this year.

If the ‘model’ doesn’t appeal to you, then unfortunately redundancies may well be inevitable. If you cannot get all the aircraft back in the air this year, then do you need all the pilots?
Simple economics cannot be ignored.
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No, but surely a constructive & co-operative attitude of give & take by both sides , in order to save jobs & keep the airline afloat in the short to medium term, is the sensible way to go - & not the callous IAG management approach. WHY do the airline, in particular have to take such a preemptive & aggressive approach ? We keep getting told that “we are all in it together” - it is now time for BA & the staff to demonstrate that !
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The Union isn’t really in a strong position until a vaccine becomes readily available. The Oxford team, with Prof Sarah Gilbert as a leading light, seem fairly certain that this should occur later this year.
As much as I hope she is right, donīt count on it.

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I’m with you, dude.
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It is worrying that many, if not most, of the people being laid off, with the exception of pilots and engineering staff, will have the status of unskilled workers. All their airline certificates will be worth nothing. From my experience over the years, the best off in a redundancy situation, where those, who had learned a trade, and could possibly go back and work in their old job. They were even in a higher skills grade at the unemployment office. Some of our flight attendants once went to the labour office to find out about their chances to get a job in case of redundancy. The answer was " there is no shortage of waitresses and waiters, you will be at the bottom of the list, your chances are bad ". A harsh statement, but unfortunately true.
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Originally Posted by BEA 71
It is worrying that many, if not most, of the people being laid off, with the exception of pilots and engineering staff, will have the status of unskilled workers. All their airline certificates will be worth nothing. From my experience over the years, the best off in a redundancy situation, where those, who had learned a trade, and could possibly go back and work in their old job. They were even in a higher skills grade at the unemployment office. Some of our flight attendants once went to the labour office to find out about their chances to get a job in case of redundancy. The answer was " there is no shortage of waitresses and waiters, you will be at the bottom of the list, your chances are bad ". A harsh statement, but unfortunately true.
I was unfortunate enough to have bad luck chase me around for a few years and went through the whole process many times over. Excel, Monarch, Thomas Cook, Flybe, etc etc... Worked with hundreds if not thousands of incredibly talented colleagues who's years of experience was basically worthless in the outside world. Flight planners, load controllers, operations staff, management etc all pretty much had to start back at the bottom of the hierarchy in other industries. The only ones who seemed safe were the health n safety brigade, along with HR.
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with the exception of pilots
Well, a pilot is not really skilled in anything but flying. Canīt see how this would up the chances... I started as an electrician, but left that trade 30+ years ago to become a pilot. Who would employ me and in which capacity ?
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Well, a pilot is not really skilled in anything but flying. Canīt see how this would up the chances... I started as an electrician, but left that trade 30+ years ago to become a pilot. Who would employ me and in which capacity ?
In the country where we both obviously live, a trade certificate ( Gesellenbrief ) is still valued. I, for instance, am a bookbinder by trade, may be the only bookbinder who has made a decent airline career. The many hairdressers employed as flight attendants by Air Berlin,, as was said, probably got a job straight away.

750XL gave a statement which could not be better, a excellent diagnosis. As he says, all their talents are lost for good. Those with a health service background do not have to worry, they get a job soon.






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Originally Posted by His dudeness
Well, a pilot is not really skilled in anything but flying. Canīt see how this would up the chances... I started as an electrician, but left that trade 30+ years ago to become a pilot. Who would employ me and in which capacity ?
Well I am not sure I totally agree . Pilots ( at least airline pilots ) have pretty good decision making and problem solving skills.

Useful talents in any working environment which requires such abilities, transport, logistics and time critical situations.

I was surprised at the lack of priority setting skills among operations managers in general industry. Ex Airline pilots do it better ...
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Well, a pilot is not really skilled in anything but flying. Canīt see how this would up the chances... I started as an electrician, but left that trade 30+ years ago to become a pilot. Who would employ me and in which capacity ?
It all depends upon which nationally recognized licenses / trades you have to your credit, .I suspect AMEs, / other trades requiring a license and Pilots have the advantage in this regard.
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