Jet goes down on its way to Medellin, Colombia

[Super VC-10]

JACDEC reporting that the flight distance exceeded the range of the RJ85. Are we looking at an out of fuel cause here?

2016-11-28 LAMIA Avro RJ-85 crashed near Medellin with 81 on board » JACDEC

[babybaby]

....... no fire ......

[portmanteau]

tu 114, think you will find thats 1839 statute miles = 1600 nm.

[Leg]

An enroute fuel stop might have been planned, though has to be said chartering this type of aircraft for a flight distance of around 1600Nm seems odd.

[The Ancient Geek]

Fuel range may not be a problem, the RJ has a range of up to 2500nm if fitted with the optional aux tanks in which case the range will be MTOW limited.

[Tu.114]

Portmanteau, You are right, thank You for the correction.

Indeed, if this leg stretches the performance of the Avro, it begs the question why it was planned that way. Certainly, there are airports between Santa Cruz and Medellin where they sell fuel?

[birmingham]

RJ85 Range

It is certainly at the top end for an 85 although it is possible to equip them with up to three auxiliary tanks (although don't know if this one had them) Could also have been weight restricted but with a full load of largely male pax would limit scope for that However even if planned with correct minimum diversion fuel it is a tricky airport to fly into from a terrain point of view and if you had a technical challenge at night with minimum reserves it would make life very difficult

[Capt Scribble]

I realise that aircraft have run out of fuel in the past but surely a crew can not run the tanks dry without saying a word about their situation.

[Saraband]

I don't recall this aircraft having pannier tanks when it was delivered new to Mesaba and unlikely that Cityjet would have added them for their operations. Possible of course that they were subsequently retrofitted for the South American customer.

[The Ancient Geek]

Yea right - the usual idiot speculation.
All will become clearer when we have some real facts. There are always a chain of contributing causes and the full story will not be known until the official report is published.

[warkman]

BBC News reporting it was a chartered flight


from same BBC page story:-

"What we know about the crash so far
◾Plane operated by Bolivian charter airline Lamia
◾Carrying 72 passengers and nine crew, among them members of the Chapecoense football team
◾Flying from Brazil, bound for Medellin after a stopover in Santa Cruz, Bolivia
◾Plane crashed at 10:15 local time (03:15 GMT) after pilot reported an electrical fault
◾Five people survived the crash, including three footballers"

[Martin_123]

Originally Posted by The Ancient Geek

Fuel range may not be a problem, the RJ has a range of up to 2500nm if fitted with the optional aux tanks in which case the range will be MTOW limited.

care to share the source of this information? I just looked up EASA type certificate for RJ85, it says you can fit pannier tanks (that are visible from outside and cause drag) for each wing giving you only about 1000lbs each.. I can't see how 2000lbs of fuel would increase the range by nearly 1000NM? Perhaps it's the military types that can carry that much more?

[FE Hoppy]

You cannot see the AUX tanks when fitted. They do not add any drag.
Without them you can load about 9400kg. That will give you around 1600nm without reserves.

[DirtyProp]

A few pictures of the crash and rescue ops, with others as well.
They're ugly. My condolences to all involved.

Fotos: El accidente de avión del Chapecoense en Colombia, en imágenes | Internacional | EL PAÍS

[IHF]

Apologies if this is the dumbest question so far - but is nine crew (as per BBC story) a plausible configuration for RJ85 ops?

[PEI_3721]

Pictures of the accident site suggest that what appears to be the rear fuselage was reasonably upright and intact, but of interest the centre section and both wings appear inverted, and remain joined together.

[aterpster]

Someone mentioned holding. This is the ILS approach for SKRG:

[T28B]

PPRuNe Standards Adhered To ...

METARs, per PPRuNe Standards ... (Flightaware's popularity seems to have overtaken METAR's standard appearance on page one of such threads. Times change).

(For SKRG/Rio Negro Airport):
SKRG 290600Z 02003KT 9999 BKN015 BKN080 15/15 A3022 REDZ
SKRG 290500Z 04003KT 8000 -DZ BKN015 BKN080 16/15 A3024
SKRG 290400Z 00000KT 8000 DZ BKN015TCU SCT080 16/15 A3024 RMK RERA
SKRG 290300Z VRB02KT 9999 -DZ BKN015 SCT080 17/16 A3025
SKRG 290200Z 00000KT 9999 BKN015 SCT200 17/16 A3023
SKRG 290100Z 01003KT 9999 SCT017 SCT200 17/16 A3020
SKRG 290000Z 06003KT 9999 SCT017 SCT200 17/16 A3019
SKRG 282300Z 08005KT 9999 VCSH SCT017TCU SCT200 18/16 A3017 RMK TCU VCSH/SW/W

[FrontSeatPhil]

Originally Posted by IHF

Apologies if this is the dumbest question so far - but is nine crew (as per BBC story) a plausible configuration for RJ85 ops?

As a frequent SLF on a chartered luxury RJ85, nine seems steep but not impossible. I usually see 5 or 6 for a passenger count of maybe 20 people.

[Midland63]

Could it be a CFIT?