A321 explosion at Mogadishu
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People seem to be talking about two different things interchangeably:
1. The amount of damage of the explosion at various altitudes
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2. The trigger mechanism (human / timer)
Just because the explosion may not cause more damage at a higher altitude does not mean that if it was human triggered the person who did it knew or thought that. All other things being equal, I would expect a suicide bomber to wait until a higher altitude and better location on the assumption more damage would be caused. Flight being late and low altitude to me suggests a timer.
On the other hand, if human triggered, maybe the bomber thought good enough, maybe so nervous thought it was at cruise altitude, or maybe just made a mistake. I suspect they will figure it out at the end though.
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1. The amount of damage of the explosion at various altitudes
and
2. The trigger mechanism (human / timer)
Just because the explosion may not cause more damage at a higher altitude does not mean that if it was human triggered the person who did it knew or thought that. All other things being equal, I would expect a suicide bomber to wait until a higher altitude and better location on the assumption more damage would be caused. Flight being late and low altitude to me suggests a timer.
On the other hand, if human triggered, maybe the bomber thought good enough, maybe so nervous thought it was at cruise altitude, or maybe just made a mistake. I suspect they will figure it out at the end though.
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New sources being whom ? Are they closely connected with the investigation or speculating like everybody else?
There is some very interesting information regarding this incident on previous pages, call it "locally based observation" if you like.
What is interesting about it is not the mode of delivery, but why this aircraft in particular took the hit.
There is some very interesting information regarding this incident on previous pages, call it "locally based observation" if you like.
What is interesting about it is not the mode of delivery, but why this aircraft in particular took the hit.
a/c Greek registry, company Djibouti owned, UAE based and incident occurred in Somalia where there is no government worth the name.
It's going to be an "interesting" investigation.
It's going to be an "interesting" investigation.
People seem to be talking about two different things interchangeably:
1. The amount of damage of the explosion at various altitudes
and
2. The trigger mechanism (human / timer)
Just because the explosion may not cause more damage at a higher altitude does not mean that if it was human triggered the person who did it knew or thought that. All other things being equal, I would expect a suicide bomber to wait until a higher altitude and better location on the assumption more damage would be caused. Flight being late and low altitude to me suggests a timer.
On the other hand, if human triggered, maybe the bomber thought good enough, maybe so nervous thought it was at cruise altitude, or maybe just made a mistake. I suspect they will figure it out at the end though.
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1. The amount of damage of the explosion at various altitudes
and
2. The trigger mechanism (human / timer)
Just because the explosion may not cause more damage at a higher altitude does not mean that if it was human triggered the person who did it knew or thought that. All other things being equal, I would expect a suicide bomber to wait until a higher altitude and better location on the assumption more damage would be caused. Flight being late and low altitude to me suggests a timer.
On the other hand, if human triggered, maybe the bomber thought good enough, maybe so nervous thought it was at cruise altitude, or maybe just made a mistake. I suspect they will figure it out at the end though.
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Or potentially both?
A human trigger to detonate in the cruise, but with a timer backup incase he loses his bottle?
Assuming the triggerman was not the brains behind it.
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Of course it was a bomb, just like the downing of the Russian craft in Egypt was a bomb. Whatever a country needs to be a bomb, is a bomb. I look back on the 1960-2000 period and I just have to say, what a waste. So many mechanical or structural failures that could have been classified as bombs but were not. What on earth were security agencies thinking at that time?! Never let a crisis go to waste. It's a gosh darn good thing that we have learned that lesson so we can find a terrorist wherever and whenever we need to give the public a good scare and keep them in line.
It's a bomb citizen, do your duty and be frightened. Nothing else to see here, move along.
It's a bomb citizen, do your duty and be frightened. Nothing else to see here, move along.
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Airport workers seen with laptop used in Somalia in-flight jet blast
From CNN:
Further from VOA:
From CNN:
(CNN) Somali intelligence officials say two airport workers handled a laptop believed to have contained a bomb that later exploded in a passenger plane.
In a video made public on Sunday by officials, one airport worker takes the laptop and hands it to another employee.
The employees then hand it over to a man who was killed when the laptop explosion blew a hole in the plane's fuselage, said Abdisalam Aato, a spokesman for the Somali Prime Minister.
Both workers have been arrested.
In a video made public on Sunday by officials, one airport worker takes the laptop and hands it to another employee.
The employees then hand it over to a man who was killed when the laptop explosion blew a hole in the plane's fuselage, said Abdisalam Aato, a spokesman for the Somali Prime Minister.
Both workers have been arrested.
Somali government officials said Saturday airport security cameras caught two people dressed in military uniforms passing a laptop to the passenger who died after Tuesday's mid-flight bomb blast aboard a passenger plane.
"The National Intelligence Agency has security recordings showing two men giving a laptop, in a hidden way, to a passenger man. The man was identified as the dead body ejected out of the hole created by the explosion," Cabinet spokesman Abdisalan Ahmed Ato told VOA's Somali service.
An official of the Somali Intelligence Agency told VOA earlier that Mogadishu airport staff and employees of Daallo Airlines were among those who have been detained for questioning, including two people suspected of assisting the suspected bomber.
"The National Intelligence Agency has security recordings showing two men giving a laptop, in a hidden way, to a passenger man. The man was identified as the dead body ejected out of the hole created by the explosion," Cabinet spokesman Abdisalan Ahmed Ato told VOA's Somali service.
An official of the Somali Intelligence Agency told VOA earlier that Mogadishu airport staff and employees of Daallo Airlines were among those who have been detained for questioning, including two people suspected of assisting the suspected bomber.
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As of the time of writing, the BBC web report does not mention that the aircraft was subbing for Turkish. The Turkish change of operations certainly looks worth investigating.
Al Jazeera: Somali jet suspect 'checked in on Turkish Airlines'
Al Jazeera: Somali jet suspect 'checked in on Turkish Airlines'
The suspected suicide bomber who blew himself up aboard a Somali airliner on a flight from Mogadishu to Djibouti was meant to board a Turkish Airlines flight, the head of Daallo Airlines told Al Jazeera. (...)
The 74 passengers aboard the flight were originally checked in with Turkish Airlines, which flies to Somalia three times per week, Mohamed Ibrahim Yasin Olad, Daallo Airlines chief told Al Jazeera on Sunday.
"They were not our passengers. Turkish Airlines cancelled its flight from Mogadishu that morning because their incoming flight from Djibouti could not come to Mogadishu because of what they said was strong wind," Olad said.
"They requested we carry the passengers on their behalf to Djibouti where they would continue their journey on a Turkish Airlines flight," Olad added.
"Turkish Airlines have not been in contact with us since the incident happened. You can say they are trying to distance themselves from the incident." Olad said. (...)
Al Jazeera contacted Turkish Airlines for comment but so far did not get a response. (...)
Somali state TV (SNTV) aired CCTV footage on Sunday showing what it said were the suspects behind the airplane blast. The footage showed three men exchanging what appeared to be a laptop at a coffee shop at the airport.
Abdullahi Abbdisalam Borleh, a Somali national, has been named by authorities as the man who was sucked out of Flight 3159. His badly burnt body was found some 30km outside the Somali capital.
Somali government spokesman Abdisalam Aato told Al Jazeera on Sunday that more than 20 suspects were in custody in connections with the explosion.
No one has claimed responsibility for the plane blast.
The 74 passengers aboard the flight were originally checked in with Turkish Airlines, which flies to Somalia three times per week, Mohamed Ibrahim Yasin Olad, Daallo Airlines chief told Al Jazeera on Sunday.
"They were not our passengers. Turkish Airlines cancelled its flight from Mogadishu that morning because their incoming flight from Djibouti could not come to Mogadishu because of what they said was strong wind," Olad said.
"They requested we carry the passengers on their behalf to Djibouti where they would continue their journey on a Turkish Airlines flight," Olad added.
"Turkish Airlines have not been in contact with us since the incident happened. You can say they are trying to distance themselves from the incident." Olad said. (...)
Al Jazeera contacted Turkish Airlines for comment but so far did not get a response. (...)
Somali state TV (SNTV) aired CCTV footage on Sunday showing what it said were the suspects behind the airplane blast. The footage showed three men exchanging what appeared to be a laptop at a coffee shop at the airport.
Abdullahi Abbdisalam Borleh, a Somali national, has been named by authorities as the man who was sucked out of Flight 3159. His badly burnt body was found some 30km outside the Somali capital.
Somali government spokesman Abdisalam Aato told Al Jazeera on Sunday that more than 20 suspects were in custody in connections with the explosion.
No one has claimed responsibility for the plane blast.
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Perhaps we can take some comfort from the fact that aircraft bombers are becoming less successful?
Surely, the elimination of some senior bomb-makers amongst the jihad set, must eventually have a negative impact on their followers successes?
Surely, the elimination of some senior bomb-makers amongst the jihad set, must eventually have a negative impact on their followers successes?
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Originally Posted by onetrack
Perhaps we can take some comfort from the fact that aircraft bombers are becoming less successful?
Surely, the elimination of some senior bomb-makers amongst the jihad set, must eventually have a negative impact on their followers successes?
Surely, the elimination of some senior bomb-makers amongst the jihad set, must eventually have a negative impact on their followers successes?
Or is it just luck of the draw where it goes off?
It is reported that they found the burnt body of the alleged bomber. If it reaches a maximum velocity of what, 200 kph (?) does the actual height make no further difference, whether 1,000 or 10,000 feet?
Thanks for that, Scuffers.
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Falling fast
the higher up you are, the faster you will fall, as you get lower, air density increases, thus aero drag increases, thus you slow down.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FHtvDA0W34I
do not try this at home
Felix Baumgartner's supersonic freefall from 128k' - Mission Highlights
Another question that everyone must have thought but no-one has yet asked, to my knowledge. What is likely to happen to this airframe? Is it repairable, I wonder?