A321 explosion at Mogadishu
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well I can accurately say that it was a bomb on board and hopefully shed some light on afew of the rumor's. SCAMA announced that it was due to fatigue, absolute rubbish, but no shock in a country where corruption rules and control of the airspace is being tightly fought over.
The background to this is rather interesting. This route is normally flown by Turkish airlines. yesterday they didn't come into HCMM, this in itself is a strange occurrence as they are in everyday, it was cited as a technical problem. Today was the same, no Turkish airlines. Daallo was flying this route for Turkish today, pax were briefed that Turkish would meet them in Djibouti. Today on check in the Turkish desk was closed completely and all manifests and tickets were hand written, and as usual it was complete chaos.
Word on the street( from very good sources) is that Turkish knew that there was going to be an attempt to down an aircraft and in particular Turkish airlines, this could be possibly linked to money that is collected by AS, there has been a lot of insurgent activity of late and a no of assassination attempts on airport workers who work for Favori. Turkish airlines and Favori are also in bed with SCAMA, they are exempt nearly all fees and may of received a tip off( so the word goes).
The explosion happened not long after take off, it took off from runway 05 end going out over the city and climbed out over the sea, it remained out over the sea to gain altitude before setting a heading for DJB. The aircraft had reached approx. 14,000 AGL, the seat lights had just been switched off when the explosion happened, oxygen masks deployed, but none of them worked. the pilot took an immediate turn to the left and descended at a steady rate. The pax reported slight heavy breathing and tightness of the chest, possible early signs of hypoxia or due to the explosion, there was a strong burning smell and one pax near the scene reported that the smell was not too dissimilar to a bleach like smell ( quite common with certain explosives )
The report of the pax falling out is yet to be confirmed but it is believed to be true and that it was the guy who triggered the explosion. the other casualty was sat just across and had all his clothes blown off him but is alive.
The background to this is rather interesting. This route is normally flown by Turkish airlines. yesterday they didn't come into HCMM, this in itself is a strange occurrence as they are in everyday, it was cited as a technical problem. Today was the same, no Turkish airlines. Daallo was flying this route for Turkish today, pax were briefed that Turkish would meet them in Djibouti. Today on check in the Turkish desk was closed completely and all manifests and tickets were hand written, and as usual it was complete chaos.
Word on the street( from very good sources) is that Turkish knew that there was going to be an attempt to down an aircraft and in particular Turkish airlines, this could be possibly linked to money that is collected by AS, there has been a lot of insurgent activity of late and a no of assassination attempts on airport workers who work for Favori. Turkish airlines and Favori are also in bed with SCAMA, they are exempt nearly all fees and may of received a tip off( so the word goes).
The explosion happened not long after take off, it took off from runway 05 end going out over the city and climbed out over the sea, it remained out over the sea to gain altitude before setting a heading for DJB. The aircraft had reached approx. 14,000 AGL, the seat lights had just been switched off when the explosion happened, oxygen masks deployed, but none of them worked. the pilot took an immediate turn to the left and descended at a steady rate. The pax reported slight heavy breathing and tightness of the chest, possible early signs of hypoxia or due to the explosion, there was a strong burning smell and one pax near the scene reported that the smell was not too dissimilar to a bleach like smell ( quite common with certain explosives )
The report of the pax falling out is yet to be confirmed but it is believed to be true and that it was the guy who triggered the explosion. the other casualty was sat just across and had all his clothes blown off him but is alive.
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Passengers commonly claim O2 masks don't work as they don't see the bag inflating and thus think it's not working. The burning smell was likely the oxygen generators which cause a burning smell.
Wow. What a story. Thanks for telling.
If Turkish knew "something" was going to happen, but they didn't tell the pax / Daallo Airlines, that makes Turkish.....
Ehhh....complicit????
If Turkish knew "something" was going to happen, but they didn't tell the pax / Daallo Airlines, that makes Turkish.....
Ehhh....complicit????
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Thankfully a very lightly populated plane. Also impressed by the calm attitude of the pax in the video.
And if you want my way-out conspiracy theory... Who hates Turkey right now and 'owes' them a plane?
and... http://www.bbc.com/news/world-africa-35474747
Well as the Daily Fail is sensationalist, the BBC is wrong in the other direction.
And if you want my way-out conspiracy theory... Who hates Turkey right now and 'owes' them a plane?
and... http://www.bbc.com/news/world-africa-35474747
Well as the Daily Fail is sensationalist, the BBC is wrong in the other direction.
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Half the pax must have been drugged, or completely & utterly brainless, someone just blew a hole in the side of your aircraft & you are sitting there like "bitch, I'm gonna be late for my appointment Dude " I found the pax facial expressions on the vid more than a little surreal.
Edited to say, the Beeb are also on Drugs it seems
Edited to say, the Beeb are also on Drugs it seems
It would be interesting to know the reason for the change of schedule of today's TK-servive. Is it confirmed that they cancelled the Mogadishu-flight the second day in a row?
On the other hand: why would somebody who is targeting a Turkish aircraft try to blow up an aircraft of an airline based in Djibuti and operted by a Greek outfit? Whilst the latter is not that easy to guess from outside the matter of fact that what the suspected bomber was boarding was not Turkish Airlines should have been obvious - even to people crazy enough to sacrifice themselves in the name of however.
On the other hand: why would somebody who is targeting a Turkish aircraft try to blow up an aircraft of an airline based in Djibuti and operted by a Greek outfit? Whilst the latter is not that easy to guess from outside the matter of fact that what the suspected bomber was boarding was not Turkish Airlines should have been obvious - even to people crazy enough to sacrifice themselves in the name of however.
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Take your point about the oxygen cylinders, but the smell was also mixed with cordite, but the masks only came down on one side of the aircraft, not all of them deployed either and even after pulling the mask, still nothing, possibly the system was damged in the explosion.
I think some serious safety questions need to be answered about airside security. Favori and SCAMA recently issued new flightline badges, they have made inroads and cut badge issues from around 3000 to around 1500, however people do come and go, without being checked, also, people are allowed to walk round the airport willy nilly, favori need to clamp down if running an airport is to be taken seriously.
I think some serious safety questions need to be answered about airside security. Favori and SCAMA recently issued new flightline badges, they have made inroads and cut badge issues from around 3000 to around 1500, however people do come and go, without being checked, also, people are allowed to walk round the airport willy nilly, favori need to clamp down if running an airport is to be taken seriously.
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They are calm, but in the western world people have to think of their 15 seconds of social media fame and the obligatory compo claim and thus have to dramatise things.
I find African people to be very pragmatic and no nonsense people. If this had been in Europe or the states then the state in the cabin would have been somewhat different, I can promise you that.
The masks will automatically deploy at 14,000 cabin altitude. The pilots can manually over ride and deploy them all or the cabin crew can use manual release tools in order to release them should the need arise. This could explain the sporadic deployment of them.
If TK did know, and cancelled their flight, and then subbed it to someone else, then that is pretty sickening stuff. Certainly another reason to avoid them.
I find African people to be very pragmatic and no nonsense people. If this had been in Europe or the states then the state in the cabin would have been somewhat different, I can promise you that.
The masks will automatically deploy at 14,000 cabin altitude. The pilots can manually over ride and deploy them all or the cabin crew can use manual release tools in order to release them should the need arise. This could explain the sporadic deployment of them.
If TK did know, and cancelled their flight, and then subbed it to someone else, then that is pretty sickening stuff. Certainly another reason to avoid them.
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forbes has a quote from the ceo
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“Fifteen minutes the aircraft was in the air. There was a bang, a sort of an explosion, and then it returned safely,” he told me in a telephone interview Tuesday afternoon. “There are two minor injuries. We don’t know what caused it … Anything is possible. By tomorrow the picture will be clearer.”
The type of damage immediately fueled speculation that a bomb may have been detonated on-board, but Yassin said it is too early to reach any conclusions. “That is what they are saying, but the Civil Aviation [Authority] thinks differently,” he cautioned. “Nothing is certain.”
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NG1, 100% confirmed that TK cancelled flights in hcmm today, second day running.
There was a delay in the flight leaving today, so it is suspected that the device was on a timer and detonated slightly earlier than planned. Planned detonation would of put it in ethiopian airspace at a higher altitude.
Im not 100% saying that TK knew this was going to happen, even the turks arent that bad, but there was a direct threat against turkish airlines by Al Shabab, and there is always a threat to aircraft coming into hcmm. It could also be linked to a government worker who was on board at the time. However, it is known that turkish is the safer carrier operating here and carries the majority of white faces. It was also mentioned yesterday that TK has suspended flights here indefinetly. Obviously its still too early to find out but chatter from sources and certain intel is pointing that way.
There was a delay in the flight leaving today, so it is suspected that the device was on a timer and detonated slightly earlier than planned. Planned detonation would of put it in ethiopian airspace at a higher altitude.
Im not 100% saying that TK knew this was going to happen, even the turks arent that bad, but there was a direct threat against turkish airlines by Al Shabab, and there is always a threat to aircraft coming into hcmm. It could also be linked to a government worker who was on board at the time. However, it is known that turkish is the safer carrier operating here and carries the majority of white faces. It was also mentioned yesterday that TK has suspended flights here indefinetly. Obviously its still too early to find out but chatter from sources and certain intel is pointing that way.
Cordite? A rather unlikely material for bomb making as it is a slow burning 'low order explosive' used primarily in ammunition. You would have needed a substantial amount to cause that damage.
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The witneses from onboard that i spoke to today said that it smelt of burning, of an explosion, like a cordite smell, but the one im more interested in was the individual who said it smelt closer to a bleach type smell plus burning.
Alot of the pax were moved away from the scene by the stewardesses and distributed according to weight and balance.
The masks definetly didnt work, as one of the pax said that he had to punch the panel to release his mask and despite pulling on it, it still didn't activate, he is in the aviation business and knows what he is talking about.
Alot of the pax were moved away from the scene by the stewardesses and distributed according to weight and balance.
The masks definetly didnt work, as one of the pax said that he had to punch the panel to release his mask and despite pulling on it, it still didn't activate, he is in the aviation business and knows what he is talking about.
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captplaystation, I think you'll find that the people from this region are pretty ho-hum about bombing and terrorism and indiscriminate murder - it's a daily fact of life.
Besides, what else can one do as a pax after the event, anyway? Jump up and down? - rant and rave? - call for the police? - call for emergency services? Take a selfie with a gaping cabin hole right behind you?
The best thing the pax can do under the circumstances is remain calm and remain seated and trust the PIC and FO have things under control - and hope and pray that all the flight controls are still working.
I also think it's pretty disgraceful if Turkish just organised a stand-in flight, when they apparently had been forewarned of an explosive attack on one of their flights.
I wouldn't be so sure it was the bomber who left the pink smear. Could just as likely have been an unlucky pax who was given the unlucky seat.
Besides, what else can one do as a pax after the event, anyway? Jump up and down? - rant and rave? - call for the police? - call for emergency services? Take a selfie with a gaping cabin hole right behind you?
The best thing the pax can do under the circumstances is remain calm and remain seated and trust the PIC and FO have things under control - and hope and pray that all the flight controls are still working.
I also think it's pretty disgraceful if Turkish just organised a stand-in flight, when they apparently had been forewarned of an explosive attack on one of their flights.
I wouldn't be so sure it was the bomber who left the pink smear. Could just as likely have been an unlucky pax who was given the unlucky seat.
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I would guess that the differential pressure wasn't high enough for explosive decompression (the Mythbusters tests have already been mentioned). As for the passengers, they might be in shock. There's an explosion, you're still alive and the aircraft is still mostly together and apparently flying under control of those at the pointy end, active panic is not needed even if there's an awareness of the need for clean underwear.
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Explosive decompression
I would guess that the differential pressure wasn't high enough for explosive decompression
Absent a massive bomb type explosion which severs large areas or fuel tanks, explosive decompression is partly a misnomer- but it seems that everyone expects total disintegration simply due to overpressure ?
Ever since the ill fated Comet series early on, virtually every commercial passenger airplane has been designed with multiple crack stoppers, redundant load paths, etc. IOW the plane does NOT disintegrate like a punctured balloon simply due to overpressure OR a blown out panel/window, etc. And no - gert frobe type in a bond movie will not be squeezed thru a window.
From wiki ..
Aloha Airlines Flight 243 (AQ 243, AAH 243) was a scheduled Aloha Airlines flight between Hilo and Honolulu in Hawaii. On April 28, 1988, a Boeing 737-297 serving the flight suffered extensive damage after an explosive decompression in flight, but was able to land safely at Kahului Airport on Maui. There was one fatality, flight attendant Clarabelle "C.B." Lansing, who was ejected from the airplane. Another 65 passengers and crew were injured.
The safe landing of the aircraft despite the substantial damage inflicted by the decompression established Aloha Airlines Flight 243 as a significant event in the history of aviation, with far-reaching effects on aviation safety policies and procedures.
The safe landing of the aircraft despite the substantial damage inflicted by the decompression established Aloha Airlines Flight 243 as a significant event in the history of aviation, with far-reaching effects on aviation safety policies and procedures.
The airframe, the 152nd Boeing 737 built, named Queen Liliuokalani after Lili'uokalani, with registration N73711,[1] was built in 1969 and delivered to Aloha Airlines as a brand-new aircraft. While the airframe had only accumulated 35,496 flight hours prior to the accident, those hours were over 89,680 flight cycles (a flight cycle is defined as a takeoff and a landing), owing to its use on short flights.[2]
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NG1, 100% confirmed that TK cancelled flights in hcmm today, second day running.
There was a delay in the flight leaving today, so it is suspected that the device was on a timer and detonated slightly earlier than planned. Planned detonation would of put it in ethiopian airspace at a higher altitude.
Im not 100% saying that TK knew this was going to happen, even the turks arent that bad, but there was a direct threat against turkish airlines by Al Shabab, and there is always a threat to aircraft coming into hcmm. It could also be linked to a government worker who was on board at the time. However, it is known that turkish is the safer carrier operating here and carries the majority of white faces. It was also mentioned yesterday that TK has suspended flights here indefinetly. Obviously its still too early to find out but chatter from sources and certain intel is pointing that way.
There was a delay in the flight leaving today, so it is suspected that the device was on a timer and detonated slightly earlier than planned. Planned detonation would of put it in ethiopian airspace at a higher altitude.
Im not 100% saying that TK knew this was going to happen, even the turks arent that bad, but there was a direct threat against turkish airlines by Al Shabab, and there is always a threat to aircraft coming into hcmm. It could also be linked to a government worker who was on board at the time. However, it is known that turkish is the safer carrier operating here and carries the majority of white faces. It was also mentioned yesterday that TK has suspended flights here indefinetly. Obviously its still too early to find out but chatter from sources and certain intel is pointing that way.
It has a threat against its airline so it indefinitely cancels its flights.
A local carrier then takes over that, as someone has said previously, is pretty obviously not Turkish. Well what we would think is obvious may not be obvious to the AS individuals in whatever mental state they are. It was an aircraft and it was flying the flight timetabled as Turkish.
