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Is that a Canada thing? I've been on a lot of airlines and never seen one that only accepts cards? I wish they would, as people messing about with change makes the whole transaction very slow... just can't say I've seen it.
British Airways has (had) a 'diplomatic locker' on every aircraft. The Senior cabin crew member had a personal padlock issued. They were responsible for securing it.
Bags of cash, diamonds, and other high value or sensitive documents were handed over to them and they were securely locked in the dip locker.
On arrival the bags were collected by a security operative who signed for them and gave the crew member a copy. Simples!!
Bags of cash, diamonds, and other high value or sensitive documents were handed over to them and they were securely locked in the dip locker.
On arrival the bags were collected by a security operative who signed for them and gave the crew member a copy. Simples!!
This is not food, equipment or such. It's cash.
The Captain said there were no papers, Ryanair said not true, there were.
Someone's lying...
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There was no security concern from a safety point because the money was all from the previous day's onboard sales, counted up in the crew room, which are all airside in RYR, and recorded before being bagged up, so the bags and their contents never crosses the airside/ground side cordons. It was standard procedure to have one of these bags every day from every base on a designated DUB or STN flt. The bag was stored in a reasonably secure manner. My only concern is that I never saw the pursers get a receipt from the office staff who came tot he aircraft to collect it, but perhaps that merely occurred out of my sight. I never saw a NOTOC, and I honestly don't remember an OM-A reference, but there may have been one. But it was certainly a long standing daily procedure for every base (except STN and DUB, obviously).
Guys, this is not a security issue.
It is a LEGAL issue, and according to where you go, it can be a big one.
If you go to Italy with bags of undocumented cash and they find them, you'll most likely find yourself in hot water.
For the Italian gov, undocumented cash in good quantities = tax evasion.
Cover your butt and be careful with cash, esp. if there's no paper trail.
It is a LEGAL issue, and according to where you go, it can be a big one.
If you go to Italy with bags of undocumented cash and they find them, you'll most likely find yourself in hot water.
For the Italian gov, undocumented cash in good quantities = tax evasion.
Cover your butt and be careful with cash, esp. if there's no paper trail.
I think in many european and US jurisdictions it's probably also driving the proverbial coach and horses through a person's obligations under the anti-money-laundering regulations. The fact that it's a common practice and that the aircrew in question were not AWARE that it's breaking rules would be no defence - they would still be liable for prosecution.
But also - taking undocumented, uninspectable sealed bags onto an aeroplane just because someone else claims it's cash doesn't sound overly clever to me.
YMMV,
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But also - taking undocumented, uninspectable sealed bags onto an aeroplane just because someone else claims it's cash doesn't sound overly clever to me.
YMMV,
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But also - taking undocumented, uninspectable sealed bags onto an aeroplane just because someone else claims it's cash doesn't sound overly clever to me.
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Is that a Canada thing? I've been on a lot of airlines and never seen one that only accepts cards?
Air Canada, United, American Airlines, Delta, Southwest, etc., only accept credit & debit cards for onboard purchases. United might still accept cash on a few international routes.
From 2009: Airlines want your money, but not your cash - NBC News
<Quite. What, exactly, would one's defence be if the bag contained some heroin and one didn't have any arse-covering paperwork?>
Or worse - Donald Trump on a UK-bound flight...
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Or worse - Donald Trump on a UK-bound flight...
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In my experience Ryanair only accept Euro and Sterling cash on board.
If you have flown outside UK/Ireland you'd know they accept local currencies. What they put it the red bags... I don't know. They say money. I am with Aluminum Shuffler, never seen any accompanying paper work. While aviation is a lot about trust in others, I think it's within every captain's right to refuse those bags. The red bag system is probably the cheapest solution to ship the money, hence its use.
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Ryanair pilot refused to fly 'undocumented cash'
"counsel for Ryanair Ross Aylward . . . said Mr Christensen had 'failed as a captain to come up with a solution in 20 minutes' that the plane was waiting to leave."
"counsel for Ryanair Ross Aylward . . . said Mr Christensen had 'failed as a captain to come up with a solution in 20 minutes' that the plane was waiting to leave."
According to on here the day's takings are counted and bagged up, airside, and then transpoted back to STN or DUB. Assuming that is correct then -
What laws are being broken if the cash never entered or departed the foreign country?
What difference is there to a DUB or STN based aircraft keeping its takings on-board and taking them back with it?
What laws are being broken if the cash never entered or departed the foreign country?
What difference is there to a DUB or STN based aircraft keeping its takings on-board and taking them back with it?
If someone I don't know turns up on the flight deck with a package ( happens now and then) I ask a few questions and if they can't tell me too much about it I open it up with my pen. Nobody has ever complained.i certainly wouldn't carry anything in the flight deck with no paperwork without opening it up.
Some countries (Italy, for instance) have an extremely convoluted, complicated tax code which discourages the use and carrying of large amounts of cash.
It doesn't matter if you are inside the country or leaving it, there is a limit to it.
And if it's company's money, you better have something to prove it. If it's legal (and I'm sure it is), the company should have no problems to provide you with relative paperwork, right?
What difference is there to a DUB or STN based aircraft keeping its takings on-board and taking them back with it?
Maybe all cash deposits have to be made from company's HQ? Doesn't make much sense to me - small amounts excluded, of course - but since I don't work for an airline I can be wrong.
Last edited by DirtyProp; 9th Jan 2016 at 10:16. Reason: bad wording
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Strange mob there, my previous outfit would have most likely been unhappy if it had been accepted without documentation...who's to know whats in that bag..