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Old 30th Dec 2015, 13:45
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Alaska Lands on Taxiway in SEA..

Alaska Airlines pilot mistakes taxiway for runway at Sea-Tac during busy holiday rush - Puget Sound Business Journal

An Alaska Airlines passenger jet landed on Seattle-Tacoma International Airport’s central taxiway – not the runway – on Dec. 19, the fourth time a pilot has made the error in the history of the airport......
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This happened once at Paphos, so they had 'TAXI' markings painted on the parallel taxiway's 'thresholds'. I wonder how effective that might be when a crew's missed all other cues.
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When operating into an airport that you have never been to before is it normal practice to do so with someone in the other seat who has been there before?
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Well...ate least they did manage to stay on the straight and narrow
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When operating into an airport that you have never been to before is it normal practice to do so with someone in the other seat who has been there before?
Alaska headquarters is Seattle. Both of these pilots have had plenty of experience with this airport.

I love the headlines trying to defend the home town airline by blaming the holiday rush.
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To bush pilots everywhere, not only Alaska, "any road's a runway" ! Highway - Taxiway same thing!
Glad no one was hurt.
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When operating into an airport that you have never been to before is it normal practice to do so with someone in the other seat who has been there before?
In this case, as mentioned above, the crew were familiar with SEA. However, in general the answer is no, with the exception of certain challenging airports around the world. I have in the past flown into airports with crews who have only ever landed there in the simulator. I have to say it did take me by surprise to learn that at the time.
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It would be a fantastic help if EVERYONE not involved would just shut the f---- up. Why it that everyone have to comment on stuff they know nothing about?
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METAR data anyone?

In the referenced article, the right runway pavement is newer (lighter color) than the taxiway and the other runways. A possible factor?
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Originally Posted by flyingtincan
When operating into an airport that you have never been to before is it normal practice to do so with someone in the other seat who has been there before?
Happens all the time. I've been to airports where both of us were unfamiliar. Not necessary to go there in the sim before either. Of course, exceptions exist.
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So, after all that complaining about too much automation, it seems that too little automation can shoot you in the foot as well…
I feel for those guys, probably got a few runway changes and were finally cleared visual approach, easy pitfall, especially with nice weather, to choose a low level of automation.
Sometimes it's just better to stay on AP, intercept the ILS (was it on?) watch what's it doing and click it off when you are stable at 1000'.
Just my 2P, wonder what (really) happened..
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Old 30th Dec 2015, 22:22
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The charts at SEA have large warnings not to mistake one of the taxiways for a runway.
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Red face taxiway v runway

Not mentioned of course is that one regular run way has been closed for major refurb- and that the taxiway is exactly parallel to the active runways.

The center runway was closed for 7 months stafrting in mid april 2015.

Lighting is different for taxiway- but during a bright day- usually not used.

To err is human to foul up takes a bcrat, a computer, and a powerpoint ranger .

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Old 31st Dec 2015, 00:10
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How about painting a big X on each end of the taxiway?
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Old 31st Dec 2015, 00:32
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Just my 2P, wonder what (really) happened..
They were cleared for approach to 16R, offered sidestep to 16C (closer to terminal), accepted it, landed on taxiway T which is halfway between 16R and 16C.

Time for an industry stand-down and refresher course? "RUNWAYS: LAND ON THEM; STAY ON THEM!"
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Has "Mark One Eyeball" somehow become obsolete?
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Not the first time. Won't be the last.
As in today's incident:

http://www.pprune.org/rumours-news/5...ml#post9224156
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Originally Posted by eengr
metar data anyone?

In the referenced article, the right runway pavement is newer (lighter color) than the taxiway and the other runways. A possible factor?
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How about painting a big X on each end of the taxiway?
That taxiway does have a giant X on both ends that light up and flash. The ATIS has been broad casting for the pass ten years not to land on the taxiway. These 2 Seattle based pilots really effed up.
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Old 31st Dec 2015, 04:13
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And this goes for the Pisa Easy too....no one goes to work expecting this or similar to happen, no one goes to work thinking I'm going to make sure that something like this or similar is not going to happen today. As active commercial pilots, and this applies to most professions, you forget how much knowledge and ability has to be acquired and retained and indeed applied to perform the required duties that are expected. So to say " these guys screwed up" is not just stupidly obvious but massively crass to say the least.
There is no better example of the disparate and toxic state of the industry as the posts castigating the crews so readily. There are so many factors to every accident/incident, and indeed we all know that CRM along with automation has produced the incredibley safe industry that we know today. The true state of the nation discussions happen in the "good "CRM days, where we can chat unrestricted without fear. The way we fly hasn't changed that much, the amount we fly has, the rest between the flying has, how much we can fly has...
Surely the advancement of flight safety through the regulated investigation must have the remit to explore every aspect including commercial interests and the pressures they impose.....
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