Loganair in Aberdeen emergency landing
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Loganair in Aberdeen emergency landing
Loganscare flight BE6916 lost an engine on the way to Sumburgh today.
Emergency landing as Glasgow to Sumburgh plane diverts to Aberdeen - BBC News
How long before they kill someone? Perhaps Flymaybe should think about removing their livery?
Emergency landing as Glasgow to Sumburgh plane diverts to Aberdeen - BBC News
How long before they kill someone? Perhaps Flymaybe should think about removing their livery?
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Before passing comment, perhaps you would like to review the serviceability stats, cancelled flights (tech), recent incidents. Even their own flight crew have complained.
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In case you're struggling
Loganair pilots raise serious engineering concerns | Shetland News
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Loganair pilots raise serious engineering concerns | Shetland News
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Having a quick look, incidents abound
Passengers on Loganair flight ordered to 'brace' during terrifying emergency landing - Mirror Online
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/travel/tr...y-landing.html
This is just the last couple of weeks. When will they start to take the matter seriously?
Passengers on Loganair flight ordered to 'brace' during terrifying emergency landing - Mirror Online
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/travel/tr...y-landing.html
This is just the last couple of weeks. When will they start to take the matter seriously?
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Yes two incidents within a week. Very concerning. For such a small operation they do seem to have more than their fair share of incidents. Happily they're too expensive for my family most of the time so we have limited exposure to them. My mother's Christmas pressy from me is usually a return flight to see her grandkids. Last year and this year I didn't. I don't want her anywhere near a LC plane.
Before anyone goes down the 'yes, but they operate in a challenging environment' route then you're wasting your time. Many UK airlines operate into VERY challenging Greek isles, Madeira and Split with big jets. And almost all of these fairy significant issues are occurring in fairly benign 'bread and butter' routes.
On seeing the forecast for SYY tomorrow my initial though was Loganair and how thankful that mother will be enduring a scary crossing of the Minch. At least I know she'll make it on the ferry. I can't be so certain with Loganair. And the hilarious thing is Linksair loose their AOC through what I gether was an admin error. Loganair have several near fatal incidents and nobody bats an eyelid.
It's a matter of time and I'm very much of the opinion that the next UK crash with be Loganair. And I only hope my family are not onboard when things do end in tears. They'll not be too bothered however as it'll be a flyBE flight number, ticket and paint job and will likely send BE under meanwhile LC will survive to kill again. If I had anything to do with BE I'd be happy with no more than a codeshare. When there's a smoking hole and and your logo panted on the tail is all that survives then it's you that people will remember.
Before anyone goes down the 'yes, but they operate in a challenging environment' route then you're wasting your time. Many UK airlines operate into VERY challenging Greek isles, Madeira and Split with big jets. And almost all of these fairy significant issues are occurring in fairly benign 'bread and butter' routes.
On seeing the forecast for SYY tomorrow my initial though was Loganair and how thankful that mother will be enduring a scary crossing of the Minch. At least I know she'll make it on the ferry. I can't be so certain with Loganair. And the hilarious thing is Linksair loose their AOC through what I gether was an admin error. Loganair have several near fatal incidents and nobody bats an eyelid.
It's a matter of time and I'm very much of the opinion that the next UK crash with be Loganair. And I only hope my family are not onboard when things do end in tears. They'll not be too bothered however as it'll be a flyBE flight number, ticket and paint job and will likely send BE under meanwhile LC will survive to kill again. If I had anything to do with BE I'd be happy with no more than a codeshare. When there's a smoking hole and and your logo panted on the tail is all that survives then it's you that people will remember.
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Of course I'd noticed axefurabz? However raising awareness under a new thread heading might make further conversation. A very good idea considering the circumstances. Very odd you'd raised the issue regarding crew complaints previously, and then regard part of my statement as an overreaction (it's isn't hypenated by the way). I think that's what we call poor grammar.
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Yes the engineering incidents seem to be high but, from what I know, the incidents were all handled extremely well by the flight crew resulting in a safe outcome so I stand by my initial comment.
Especially in a world where the press describe standard go-around procedures as 'a duel with death' and 'terror in the skies'.
It's what the flight crew are there to deal with.
Especially in a world where the press describe standard go-around procedures as 'a duel with death' and 'terror in the skies'.
It's what the flight crew are there to deal with.
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In my past was hangar foreman with them in the 80's. Good boys then bad management heads in the sand. Update lots of the good boys are going or left.
Time to really stop and get it right as we all have soft spot for them but enough is enough.
Old planes need TLC which means LSD!!!
ATB to the guys who care!!!!!!!!
Time to really stop and get it right as we all have soft spot for them but enough is enough.
Old planes need TLC which means LSD!!!
ATB to the guys who care!!!!!!!!
Loganair issues
Its true that the company have had a few harem scarem moments recently, but as an earlier poster said, they really do operate in a challenging environment. And seem to have lost their direction a little since Scott Grier left, together with perhaps uncertainty over engineering bases at GLA/ABZ.
I suppose their biggest challenge in the coming years is what to replace the Saab 340s with. Only feasible option is maybe ATR42s, still a larger aircraft but no doubt plenty on the market for reasonable money in the coming years. Can anyone think of anything else to replace the smaller Saabs with?
Comments such as "how long before they kill someone" are counterproductive, and probably uninformed at best, slanderous and completely wrong at worst.
I suppose their biggest challenge in the coming years is what to replace the Saab 340s with. Only feasible option is maybe ATR42s, still a larger aircraft but no doubt plenty on the market for reasonable money in the coming years. Can anyone think of anything else to replace the smaller Saabs with?
Comments such as "how long before they kill someone" are counterproductive, and probably uninformed at best, slanderous and completely wrong at worst.
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Wirbelsturm agree with you completely, crew performance outstanding. Without their professionalism any of these incidents could have ended with a far worse outcome. I just don't think they should be in a place like this? Yes we all know it could go t**ts up at a moments notice, but when it's happening all around you on a regular basis. What an environment to work in.
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Unless I'm mistaken it's the Islamders and Twotters that are in the challenging locations. It's the SAABs that seem to be regularly in trouble and as far as I know they operate into some fairly benign locations. So the 'challenging environment' argument is just reflective fluff and spin by Loganair fans or crew.
The islanders (not the planes, the people) who use the highlands and islands services are not happy. There are letters in papers, facebook pages and anything else you like to imagine complaining about the service they are being offered. My impression is that the burning issue is pricing but little has happened on that front so things have built up with almost anything being seized on to press home the point that they aren't happy.
A chink appeared recently when a discount for emergency travel was announced and I've seen some positive press from that but it doesn't seem to have dampened the general head of steam that has built up.
I'm surprised this is the first time it has reared its' head here.
A chink appeared recently when a discount for emergency travel was announced and I've seen some positive press from that but it doesn't seem to have dampened the general head of steam that has built up.
I'm surprised this is the first time it has reared its' head here.
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The islanders may complain about the horrendous pricing and shocking punctuality. However for me the issues are;
-two near disasterous cockups
-numerous engine failures
-runway excursion at SYY
-landing gear issue this week
-hydraulic failure at RTM
-pilots airing their concerns vis-a-vis maintenance
-an accident report highlighting serious CRM issues
These are all issues on the modern SAAB in airports with all the mod cons and nice long runways.
When the inevitable happens I hope the press go to town on LC and our useless regulator. LC will continue, the fat cats in the CAA will go on having failed to do that job and will blame a higher power. When EASA FTLs come online things will go from bad to terrible once fatigue is added to the mix.
Still think the 'challenging environment' is an excuse?
-two near disasterous cockups
-numerous engine failures
-runway excursion at SYY
-landing gear issue this week
-hydraulic failure at RTM
-pilots airing their concerns vis-a-vis maintenance
-an accident report highlighting serious CRM issues
These are all issues on the modern SAAB in airports with all the mod cons and nice long runways.
When the inevitable happens I hope the press go to town on LC and our useless regulator. LC will continue, the fat cats in the CAA will go on having failed to do that job and will blame a higher power. When EASA FTLs come online things will go from bad to terrible once fatigue is added to the mix.
Still think the 'challenging environment' is an excuse?
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Can only be perceived BUT something that LC will need to consider under its SMS if crews are continually delayed if the posts are true. No need to scaremonger though 
When EASA FTLs come online things will go from bad to terrible once fatigue is added to the mix.
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Loganair was my first flying job over ten years ago now, I have two models on my study desk: an Excalibur A320 (previous career and fun times!) and a Loganair Saab340! I hold this company and the memories in very high esteem, then it had incredibly high-standard of training from high-standard individuals that set me up in my career.
I find the current company culture quite disturbing for such a 'small' airline although quite common in a lot of what i've experienced in the last 5 years, that could be described as the bottom-end of UK airlines -
Management in 21st Century UK Airlines, I would add it's only my opinion: There are a number of people promoted to places where ambition greatly outweighs ability on the simple premise that their face fits in the view of those that bestow favours. Nothing wrong with ambition, but it often clouds the thought that might otherwise attach some credence to such ideas as "those you crap on on the way up, are those you'll meet on the way down"
Once you get past the point where you will never get back down to where you started, you begin appointing the ambitious/incapable to your own court. So much easier to surround yourself with muppets to take the heat for you, who are hoping in return, for advancement. My experience now, is the good guys who should be in management, don't touch it with a barge-pole!
I stress my opinion, no offence intended to those working hard for change!
I sincerely hope Loganair sort this out, they are one of the last great UK airlines. The scaremongering is un-necessary.
I find the current company culture quite disturbing for such a 'small' airline although quite common in a lot of what i've experienced in the last 5 years, that could be described as the bottom-end of UK airlines -
Management in 21st Century UK Airlines, I would add it's only my opinion: There are a number of people promoted to places where ambition greatly outweighs ability on the simple premise that their face fits in the view of those that bestow favours. Nothing wrong with ambition, but it often clouds the thought that might otherwise attach some credence to such ideas as "those you crap on on the way up, are those you'll meet on the way down"
Once you get past the point where you will never get back down to where you started, you begin appointing the ambitious/incapable to your own court. So much easier to surround yourself with muppets to take the heat for you, who are hoping in return, for advancement. My experience now, is the good guys who should be in management, don't touch it with a barge-pole!
I stress my opinion, no offence intended to those working hard for change!
I sincerely hope Loganair sort this out, they are one of the last great UK airlines. The scaremongering is un-necessary.
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Comments such as "how long before they kill someone" are counterproductive, and probably uninformed at best, slanderous and completely wrong at worst.
There are a number of people promoted to places where ambition greatly outweighs ability on the simple premise that their face fits in the view of those that bestow favours. Nothing wrong with ambition, but it often clouds the thought that might otherwise attach some credence to such ideas as "those you crap on on the way up, are those you'll meet on the way down"
Once you get past the point where you will never get back down to where you started, you begin appointing the ambitious/incapable to your own court. So much easier to surround yourself with muppets to take the heat for you, who are hoping in return, for advancement. My experience now, is the good guys who should be in management, don't touch it with a barge-pole!
Once you get past the point where you will never get back down to where you started, you begin appointing the ambitious/incapable to your own court. So much easier to surround yourself with muppets to take the heat for you, who are hoping in return, for advancement. My experience now, is the good guys who should be in management, don't touch it with a barge-pole!