B747-400 at AMS in the grass.
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B747-400 at AMS in the grass.
This morning a KLM B744 left the concrete of RWY 18R at AMS. At the moment it is still stuck in the grass. (Pax)Plane came from NBO. No one hurt.
KLM-Jumbo in het gras | Binnenland | Telegraaf.nl
KLM-Jumbo in het gras | Binnenland | Telegraaf.nl
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Crude translation of Telegraaf Article
KLM Jumbo in the grass
Schipol -
An aircraft from KLM Wednesday just off the runway arrived at Schiphol after landing. That left Schiphol and KLM know. The landings were secure.
The passengers of Flight KL566 from Nairobi are transported by buses, the new runway will remain until the end of the morning closed. On Twitter, you can see how the device with the front wheels in the grass just next to the asphalt. It is not known why the aircraft arrived next to the track.
In the plane, however, announced that it was a brake problem ', so let Vincent Verweij know. He was on board the aircraft. "We noticed there is really little. The plane slowed it quite abruptly, but only when it was announced we saw that it had not gone well. "Totally
"There was no panic on board. We had to wait an hour before there were stairs and buses so we could get to the terminal. It is quite sensational, "said Verweij from the airport. According to him, the aircraft was not completely full.
Until the unit is from the runway, road traffic must use other jobs. This poses no problems.
Schipol -
An aircraft from KLM Wednesday just off the runway arrived at Schiphol after landing. That left Schiphol and KLM know. The landings were secure.
The passengers of Flight KL566 from Nairobi are transported by buses, the new runway will remain until the end of the morning closed. On Twitter, you can see how the device with the front wheels in the grass just next to the asphalt. It is not known why the aircraft arrived next to the track.
In the plane, however, announced that it was a brake problem ', so let Vincent Verweij know. He was on board the aircraft. "We noticed there is really little. The plane slowed it quite abruptly, but only when it was announced we saw that it had not gone well. "Totally
"There was no panic on board. We had to wait an hour before there were stairs and buses so we could get to the terminal. It is quite sensational, "said Verweij from the airport. According to him, the aircraft was not completely full.
Until the unit is from the runway, road traffic must use other jobs. This poses no problems.
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Ah, that is cruel 
did they just screw up leaving the runway on a highspeed , at "too" highspeed, or was this a genuine tech problem ? suspect taxi-itis but open to be corrected.
did they just screw up leaving the runway on a highspeed , at "too" highspeed, or was this a genuine tech problem ? suspect taxi-itis but open to be corrected.
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Incident: KLM B744 at Amsterdam on Oct 1st 2014, runway excursion on landing
So on the other side of the taxi way
So on the other side of the taxi way
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It certainly wasn't "taxi-itis". These guys take it real slow. Besides, this was on the wrong side of the runway, they left on the western edge. Also, these guys are virtually bullet-proof so they have absolutely no incentive to tell porkies to anyone. Professionally, they will be interested in what happened but unlike those who fly for (any/some) companies based five hours to the East, they'll not be the slightest bit worried about what the investigation will uncover.
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An investigation will be performed. The only question is by whom. As for the crew, absolutely no one will lose their job and only if retraining is requested will any be done. There will also be no nasty letters on file. Some airlines train their pilots well, trust them and treat them with respect.
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Looking at the second photo, it appears that the steering was central, but the nose wheel ploughed the grass to the right, indicating a possible lock-up of the right MLG wheels. Most likely a mechanical fault with the right brake pack.... Surely someone knows by now, if they have managed to remove the plane.
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The faulty right brake pack theory ties in with the crew and passenger comments about odd braking - steering would slew the aircraft but not give unusual retardation. I wonder if a stowaway could have damaged the electrical system to the autobrakes/antiskid, given its departure location.
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My understanding from the linked articles was that the retardation of the aircraft was initially normal but then increased. I may have misinterpreted it, but if that is right, then it points towards brakes rather than steering being the issue, unbalance braking then pulling the aircraft to one side. Whether it be an autobrake or an antiskid failure, who knows? It's just speculation, but like I said, if a stowaway climbed the undercarriage leg in Nairobi, and it wouldn't be the first time, then they could have accidentally broken some of the electrical components to the brakes (I think the hydraulic parts are sturdy enough that their damage would be less likely). Hands up - I'm now speculating quite a bit.
This is an extremely well-run airline in a the most civilized part of the world. KLM are not in the business of firing staff willy-nilly, even if they are responsible for a minor cock-up. It seems, however, that some people here equate the business practices of certain Asian and ME carriers with that of a reputable European based ditto. Luckily for those of us who weren't forced to relocate out of civilization in a bid to feed the kids, things are not like that here.
But what really amazes me, is the eagerness with which some people apportion the blame to the crew, in the process suggesting the skipper is in for anything from a 'hats on no biscuits' talk to outright dismissal. Where is the respect for a fellow set of professionals who, by all accounts, may have experienced a technical failure that left them with no control of the aircraft?
'Pathetic' is a word that springs to mind. 'Immature ignorants' another, not to mention 'armchair quarterbacks' or perhaps 'jealousy'.
But what really amazes me, is the eagerness with which some people apportion the blame to the crew, in the process suggesting the skipper is in for anything from a 'hats on no biscuits' talk to outright dismissal. Where is the respect for a fellow set of professionals who, by all accounts, may have experienced a technical failure that left them with no control of the aircraft?
'Pathetic' is a word that springs to mind. 'Immature ignorants' another, not to mention 'armchair quarterbacks' or perhaps 'jealousy'.
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I guess they will be hiring a new 747 Captain now.
Deep deep shame on you MTN1664.
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HT, SMT-M and myself appear to be under no illusion about what will happen next. There will be an investigation and the crew be eager to help. Furthermore there will be absolutely no comeback on any of them, almost no matter what the outcome. As is should be. But what is really worrying is that there are so many people, apparently professional pilots, who believe that following an incident like this some disciplinary action should be taken against the crew.
I am amazed that in the 21st century that professional people can possibly think like this. What sort of third world, tin pot, stone age companies do you work for? The real world has moved on. Dinosaurs are dead because they could not adapt to a new world. To maintain and improve safety in the modern world, companies have to manage the hazards that surround their operation. And they can only do that with information, provided willingly by their employees. Punishing employees, who are both the sources and conduits of that information is a sure fire way of bricking up the largest and most useful information highway. So if you work for a company that whacks people with a safety stick, you can be sure that your management are clueless about their operation. And remember your paycheck, both next months's and next year's, depends on their ability to manage - but without the information they desperately need.
And before any clown spouts on about how safe XYZ airlines are, remember that just like investments, past performance is absolutely no guarantee of future performance. Because inside the dinosaur operations are well hidden, really nasty problems and hazards looking for a way to escape. If you work for one, your only form of defence is to cross your fingers - because your management don't have the information they need to manage.
Fingers crossed for you.
I am amazed that in the 21st century that professional people can possibly think like this. What sort of third world, tin pot, stone age companies do you work for? The real world has moved on. Dinosaurs are dead because they could not adapt to a new world. To maintain and improve safety in the modern world, companies have to manage the hazards that surround their operation. And they can only do that with information, provided willingly by their employees. Punishing employees, who are both the sources and conduits of that information is a sure fire way of bricking up the largest and most useful information highway. So if you work for a company that whacks people with a safety stick, you can be sure that your management are clueless about their operation. And remember your paycheck, both next months's and next year's, depends on their ability to manage - but without the information they desperately need.
And before any clown spouts on about how safe XYZ airlines are, remember that just like investments, past performance is absolutely no guarantee of future performance. Because inside the dinosaur operations are well hidden, really nasty problems and hazards looking for a way to escape. If you work for one, your only form of defence is to cross your fingers - because your management don't have the information they need to manage.
Fingers crossed for you.
unfortutunately in the real world a very large part of the industry has a serious blame culture , which isnt going to change anytime soon , and these companies are passing all the various audits............
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Quote... unfortunately in the real world a very large part of the industry has a serious blame culture....
So if it was the brakes that were faulty, then the last engineer to look at them better have a good answer lined up...
So if it was the brakes that were faulty, then the last engineer to look at them better have a good answer lined up...
If this was followed to the letter, there would never be any failures at all! Nirvana. (What is it's ICAO code?)