MH17 down near Donetsk
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Media Statement : MH17 Incident
Released at 12:30am/18 July 2014
Malaysia Airlines confirms it received notification from Ukrainian ATC that it had lost contact with flight MH17 at 1415 (GMT) at 30km from Tamak waypoint, approximately 50km from the Russia-Ukraine border.
Flight MH17 operated on a Boeing 777 departed Amsterdam at 12.15pm (Amsterdam local time) and was estimated to arrive at Kuala Lumpur International Airport at 6.10 am (Malaysia local time) the next day.
The flight was carrying 280 passengers and 15 crew onboard.
Travel Advisory - Media Statement 1 : MH17 Incident | Malaysia Airlines
Released at 12:30am/18 July 2014
Malaysia Airlines confirms it received notification from Ukrainian ATC that it had lost contact with flight MH17 at 1415 (GMT) at 30km from Tamak waypoint, approximately 50km from the Russia-Ukraine border.
Flight MH17 operated on a Boeing 777 departed Amsterdam at 12.15pm (Amsterdam local time) and was estimated to arrive at Kuala Lumpur International Airport at 6.10 am (Malaysia local time) the next day.
The flight was carrying 280 passengers and 15 crew onboard.
Travel Advisory - Media Statement 1 : MH17 Incident | Malaysia Airlines
The separatists have been boasting for weeks that they have captured Ukrainian SA-11 Buk systems. The SA-11 can be guided without radar using an optical tracker and laser ranging.
Donetsk militia takes control of Ukrainian anti-air installation - News - World - The Voice of Russia: News, Breaking news, Politics, Economics, Business, Russia, International current events, Expert opinion, podcasts, Video
Donetsk militia takes control of Ukrainian anti-air installation
The self-defense forces of Donetsk People’s Republic seized control of a Ukrainian anti-air military installation, RIA Novosti reports.
"The forces of Donetsk People’s Republic assumed control of A-1402 military base," the militia's representative said. According to him, it is an anti-aircraft missile forces facility equipped with Buk mobile surface-to-air missile systems.
The self-defense forces of Donetsk People’s Republic seized control of a Ukrainian anti-air military installation, RIA Novosti reports.
"The forces of Donetsk People’s Republic assumed control of A-1402 military base," the militia's representative said. According to him, it is an anti-aircraft missile forces facility equipped with Buk mobile surface-to-air missile systems.
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In April, US flights were warned not to fly over conflict-ridden regions of eastern Ukraine by the FAA earlier this year. (Reported in the Guardian Malaysia Airlines plane MH17 'crashes in Ukraine' - live updates | World news | theguardian.com which is maintaining updates.)
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I don't go there often, admittedly, but I do remember most of my CDG/LHR/FRA trips to go back through Ukraine. It might have been a jetstream/seasonal thing.
It is increasingly likely now that the separatists did shoot it down, with equally increasing likelihood that they used a BUK system either stolen from the Ukrainian military or, and I fear that's the case, on a courtesy loan from Putin.
Theories abound already, including one which seems to indicate an Ukrainian military transport was flying nearby bringing relief to ground troops and which the separatists might have thought they were targeting.
That, of course, entails a certain level of intelligence which, by any definition of the word, this hodgepodge group of russophiles is clearly unable to provide on their own...
I have $10 saying they never find the CVR/FDR.
This is absolutely, shockingly, disastrous. There is no excuse for any of this.
It is increasingly likely now that the separatists did shoot it down, with equally increasing likelihood that they used a BUK system either stolen from the Ukrainian military or, and I fear that's the case, on a courtesy loan from Putin.
Theories abound already, including one which seems to indicate an Ukrainian military transport was flying nearby bringing relief to ground troops and which the separatists might have thought they were targeting.
That, of course, entails a certain level of intelligence which, by any definition of the word, this hodgepodge group of russophiles is clearly unable to provide on their own...
I have $10 saying they never find the CVR/FDR.
This is absolutely, shockingly, disastrous. There is no excuse for any of this.
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Reuters tweets: #BREAKING: Number of dead from crash of #MH17 more than 300, includes 23 U.S. citizen: Interior Ministry adviser, quoted by Interfax
Which means the US now has involvement in the investigation.
Which means the US now has involvement in the investigation.
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All our arrivals come in much further north via St Petersburg, the Baltics and Scandinavia.
Our returns either go via Belarus (Minsk) / Moscow or much further south via the Black Sea / Georgia.
Been that way for at least 10 years.
Our returns either go via Belarus (Minsk) / Moscow or much further south via the Black Sea / Georgia.
Been that way for at least 10 years.
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Ukrainian airforce, tons of BUK-M1, S-200 and S-300 systems: Ukrainian Air Force - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Naturally this doesn't indicate who did it, or even if it was in fact shoot down with a missile, even less with a Russian made.
Naturally this doesn't indicate who did it, or even if it was in fact shoot down with a missile, even less with a Russian made.
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This debris is a proof of catastrophic structural damage inflight obviously.
The debris seem to be falling near the main impact site, implying that the aircraft might have disintegrated and was not controlled in any way after the damage occured. ( same forward velocity of all parts).
As the crashsite is in Rebel controlled territory, it will be another battle on who is responsible for the investigation...
The debris seem to be falling near the main impact site, implying that the aircraft might have disintegrated and was not controlled in any way after the damage occured. ( same forward velocity of all parts).
As the crashsite is in Rebel controlled territory, it will be another battle on who is responsible for the investigation...
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Russian News Agency RIA Novosti tweets: Putin expresses his "sincere condolences" to Malaysian PM on MH17 aircraft crash
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eurocontrol?
regardless of what caused this sad and terrible event - I wonder when ECTRL will be mentioned on the news reports? given they have flight plan and actual route data etc - also wonder why they haven't been coordinating flight plan alternatives to avoid conflict area?
I mean risk assessment? I know there has been no official evidence of deployment of sophisticated AA - but separatists situation + russians possibly supplying weapons + russian supported rebels being at risk from Ukrainian Govt air superiority + recent effective rebel anti-aircraft deployment (even if at low altitude) = no risk? I don't think so!
I mean risk assessment? I know there has been no official evidence of deployment of sophisticated AA - but separatists situation + russians possibly supplying weapons + russian supported rebels being at risk from Ukrainian Govt air superiority + recent effective rebel anti-aircraft deployment (even if at low altitude) = no risk? I don't think so!
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Looking at the feed the BBC is showing, you can see the lighter Debris still falling where the smoke is rising. Can see the multiple long,white streaming items falling as well as metalic parts.
The impact does not indicate a nose heavy impact, so its unlikely that the floating debris is a side effect of that.
This was definately breaking up before impact with the ground.
The impact does not indicate a nose heavy impact, so its unlikely that the floating debris is a side effect of that.
This was definately breaking up before impact with the ground.
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Well if the missile came from the "rebel" side (read: Putin's merry band of rascals...), then Ukraine needs to be a NATO member next week..
If it came from the Ukrainian side, which I doubt, then the bunch in power in. Kiev need to go, pronto! And that's going to get complicated..
Whatever the outcome, it will not be a good one, but taking civil air trafic hostage to regional conflicts cannot be tolerated, and I will support whoever gets this point across! Too bad all the big players have already lost the moral high ground on this particular subject...
If it came from the Ukrainian side, which I doubt, then the bunch in power in. Kiev need to go, pronto! And that's going to get complicated..
Whatever the outcome, it will not be a good one, but taking civil air trafic hostage to regional conflicts cannot be tolerated, and I will support whoever gets this point across! Too bad all the big players have already lost the moral high ground on this particular subject...
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no fire trail after missile strike?
Looking at the video posted at CNN showing MH17 impacting the ground then bursting into flames the moment of ground impact, I could not see any sort of trail showing signs of burning debris as it strikes the ground. Its quite strange 
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You are absolutely right, quad. The wee hour and half a bottle of wine got the best of my geographical perspective already.
Well, if CX's own brand of training managed to teach me one thing, it's how to swallow my pride.
It appears the separatists did indeed steal a SAM battery from the Ukrainian army during the conflict...
I'll go to bed now.
Well, if CX's own brand of training managed to teach me one thing, it's how to swallow my pride.
It appears the separatists did indeed steal a SAM battery from the Ukrainian army during the conflict...
I'll go to bed now.
