Malaysian Airlines MH370 contact lost
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re: P&I Underwriters vs Cargo Manifest
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This assumes the Malaysians have been up-front with their insurance declarations? On the evidence of the last 14 days, it seems this may not be the case?
If Malaysian management are unwilling to provide the relevant Cargo Manifest, the same info may be obtained from the aforementioned 2nd source ?
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Just to recap on the developments in the search for Malaysia Airlines Flight MH370.
The flight crew of a Royal Australian Air Force P-3 Orion has spotted debris - up to four objects - in the search area in the southern Indian Ocean, southwest of Perth.
The P-3 Orion dropped flares onto the ocean as a marker for other search crews aboard aircraft and ships.
The HMAS Success is heading to the location to pick up the debris and verify if it is part of the Boeing 777.
A flight crew from a Chinese Ilyushin IL-76 search plane had also spotted debris in a different location earlier on Monday.
The objects were described as two larger "white and rectangular" items and a number of smaller white fragments scattered over an area of a "few kilometres".
Chinese icebreaker Xuelong is en route to the search area and should arrive early on Tuesday morning.
Just to recap on the developments in the search for Malaysia Airlines Flight MH370.
The flight crew of a Royal Australian Air Force P-3 Orion has spotted debris - up to four objects - in the search area in the southern Indian Ocean, southwest of Perth.
The P-3 Orion dropped flares onto the ocean as a marker for other search crews aboard aircraft and ships.
The HMAS Success is heading to the location to pick up the debris and verify if it is part of the Boeing 777.
A flight crew from a Chinese Ilyushin IL-76 search plane had also spotted debris in a different location earlier on Monday.
The objects were described as two larger "white and rectangular" items and a number of smaller white fragments scattered over an area of a "few kilometres".
Chinese icebreaker Xuelong is en route to the search area and should arrive early on Tuesday morning.
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CPDLC (Controller to Pilot Data Link Clearance) and ADS B(Air Data Service)
CPDLC is Communication not clearance and is via satellite and FMC. It is via text and there are "canned" messages from the controller and a menu of " canned" responses for the crew to select.
ADS-B is Automatic Dependant Surveillance and is the way ATC tracks aircraft. With -B that is direct from the Transponder and if the transponder was off then AFAIK, ADS-B info would no longer be available.
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Is that Short Tons or Long Tons?
I understand that a 777-200ER has a Max TOW of 656,000 LBS and a Max Landing Weight of 470,000 LBS (I am sorry, but I am old enough to think in pounds). I think I am right in thinking it took off with 54.1 Tons of fuel, or 121,400Lbs out of a possible max fuel of 303,292 LBS (assuming 6.71LB/USG)? It is logical that this figure comes from the pre-flight weight and balance calculations. Anyway, that is not nearly max fuel and if it really did climb then descend, then fly at low altitude for a while before climbing again, it would have gone through quite a bit of its 121,400LBS of fuel to get to the waypoint where it was, apparently last seen.
I do wonder what the weight of the aircraft might have been at 01:19 with regards to Maximum Landing Weight...
I understand that a 777-200ER has a Max TOW of 656,000 LBS and a Max Landing Weight of 470,000 LBS (I am sorry, but I am old enough to think in pounds). I think I am right in thinking it took off with 54.1 Tons of fuel, or 121,400Lbs out of a possible max fuel of 303,292 LBS (assuming 6.71LB/USG)? It is logical that this figure comes from the pre-flight weight and balance calculations. Anyway, that is not nearly max fuel and if it really did climb then descend, then fly at low altitude for a while before climbing again, it would have gone through quite a bit of its 121,400LBS of fuel to get to the waypoint where it was, apparently last seen.
I do wonder what the weight of the aircraft might have been at 01:19 with regards to Maximum Landing Weight...
Does anyone else get the distinct impression, that after several days of the most intensive air and sea search effort since AF447, in which virtually nothing of real interest has been found - apart from pallets that could have come from anywhere, plus a few indistinct satellite pics that have failed to produce anything of value - that they're most definitely looking in the wrong area?
On the basis that it went down somewhere near this searched area, there is still the matter of how the aircraft hit the water. If it remained more or less intact, what would you expect to find? If it hit like a ton of bricks, as AF 447 did, there is still the problem of drift and dispersion. As the first assets arrived with a time late to datum of a week the "farthest on circle" of whatever bits and pieces are buoyant is still going to be a bugger.
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Re P3 debris siting, hopefully the rectangular orange object a slide and the circular green/grey object underside of a raft, as both objects relatively near to each other and two more objects with no details that would indicate a common source and not a very old one .
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Junk in the oceans
Today's Sydney Morning Herald quoted a professor of oceanography as saying that the search area in the southern Indian ocean is quite clean and free of rubbish compared to other oceans.
I can't post a link because I don't have a sub to the Herald online, I read it in the printed edition.
Maybe the professor is wrong but I'm just posting what was said.
I can't post a link because I don't have a sub to the Herald online, I read it in the printed edition.
Maybe the professor is wrong but I'm just posting what was said.
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SOPS, don't think the RAT will power the Apilot after dual eng failure. It provides hydraulic PWR for primary flt controls and electric for xfer busses only from memory.
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Looks like they've found it (by it, i mean identifiable wreckage that could only have come from mh370).
Malaysian Prime Minister is flying in for a special emergency announcement in 1hr, with family having a private meeting 30 mins before. Highly irregular from the usual itinerary.
Looks like this is it.
Malaysian Prime Minister is flying in for a special emergency announcement in 1hr, with family having a private meeting 30 mins before. Highly irregular from the usual itinerary.
Looks like this is it.
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Breaking
Emergency meeting with Relatives at 21:30 Local tonight
Then
Press Conference at 10pm
Routine updates would likely just wait until tomorrow. Serious news to warrant another presser tonight, last one wrapped 3 hrs ago.
Then
Press Conference at 10pm
Routine updates would likely just wait until tomorrow. Serious news to warrant another presser tonight, last one wrapped 3 hrs ago.
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Maybe Success has found something. Nothing on news here yet (Oz) Will see if anything on 1am news in half an hour.
ETA: Poor families, at least they will be treated gently if they are flown here. Hope and pray there is some closure soon.
http://www.abc.net.au/news/2014-03-2...-ocean/5341692
Malaysia Airlines MH370: PM Tony Abbott says new objects located south-west of Perth - ABC News (Australian Broadcasting Corporation)
Flight Lieutenant Josh Williams, who was on board the P-3 Orion, said the flight was successful.
"We were looking for debris in the water and we sighted a number of objects on the surface and beneath the surface visually as we flew over the top if it," he said.
"The first object was rectangular in shape and slightly below the ocean. The second object was circular, also slightly below the ocean. We came across a long cylindrical object that was possibly two metres long, 20 centimetres across.
"Everyone is quite hyped."
ETA: Poor families, at least they will be treated gently if they are flown here. Hope and pray there is some closure soon.
http://www.abc.net.au/news/2014-03-2...-ocean/5341692
Malaysia Airlines MH370: PM Tony Abbott says new objects located south-west of Perth - ABC News (Australian Broadcasting Corporation)
Flight Lieutenant Josh Williams, who was on board the P-3 Orion, said the flight was successful.
"We were looking for debris in the water and we sighted a number of objects on the surface and beneath the surface visually as we flew over the top if it," he said.
"The first object was rectangular in shape and slightly below the ocean. The second object was circular, also slightly below the ocean. We came across a long cylindrical object that was possibly two metres long, 20 centimetres across.
"Everyone is quite hyped."
Last edited by LegallyBlonde; 24th Mar 2014 at 13:50. Reason: ETA + link
Tweet on the AMSA site states the last aircraft (Japanese and Australian P3) have left the area without any further sightings.
So the Malaysian PM press conference may be about something else. Or else tweet is wrong and AMSA are saying nothing until the relatives are told (which seems only correct).
Looking at the maps of search activities, they seem to be searching smaller areas than they did the first few days - despite more assets joining the search. Australian PM has been very bullish also. It does make you wonder what other information they have had.
So the Malaysian PM press conference may be about something else. Or else tweet is wrong and AMSA are saying nothing until the relatives are told (which seems only correct).
Looking at the maps of search activities, they seem to be searching smaller areas than they did the first few days - despite more assets joining the search. Australian PM has been very bullish also. It does make you wonder what other information they have had.
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Ads
Ads does not need the transponder to be serviceable, just a VHF radio. That's why most aircraft on Flightradar drop off the site when they go overwater for long distances.
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@OPENDOOR
Not really. Slide rafts would be deployed after the aircraft ditches, what we call ditching in aviation. It is done by the pilots with the clear intention to do so.
In ideal conditions aircraft floats for a while and cabin crew would open doors in armed mode. Slide rafts are deployed automatically when doors are opened in armed mode. Cabin crew would evacuate the pax on rafts, disconnect the rafts and apply sop's to survive for as long as possible and signal when activity is observed in the nearby area.
A B777 raft is large, it can fit up to 80 pax. It does have an orange canopy.....if the sea was rough it would be very hard for a raft to be afloat after 14 days, but you never know.
Not really. Slide rafts would be deployed after the aircraft ditches, what we call ditching in aviation. It is done by the pilots with the clear intention to do so.
In ideal conditions aircraft floats for a while and cabin crew would open doors in armed mode. Slide rafts are deployed automatically when doors are opened in armed mode. Cabin crew would evacuate the pax on rafts, disconnect the rafts and apply sop's to survive for as long as possible and signal when activity is observed in the nearby area.
A B777 raft is large, it can fit up to 80 pax. It does have an orange canopy.....if the sea was rough it would be very hard for a raft to be afloat after 14 days, but you never know.