Malaysian Airlines MH370 contact lost
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That's somewhat of the direction I was going.
I doubt they crew forgot, or were unable to don their masks.
They probably got them on, but had no O2.
In the meantime, they selected a lower altitude and a point to navigate to, then passed out.
There seem to be some variables as to how crew and PAX O2 setups are arranged.
I doubt they crew forgot, or were unable to don their masks.
They probably got them on, but had no O2.
In the meantime, they selected a lower altitude and a point to navigate to, then passed out.
There seem to be some variables as to how crew and PAX O2 setups are arranged.
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Lost in Saigon, that would depend on how long the descent took... Maybe they kept the same speed due to structural failure, they would then descend at let's say 2500 fpm? It would take them a good 10 minutes...
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I ASSUME that Boeing and Rolls-Royce have representatives with whichever organisation is in charge of the incident investigation ?
Does the FAA also have have representatives there ?
And, again, does anyone know the nominal duration of the Sonar locator beacons ?
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Does the FAA also have have representatives there ?
And, again, does anyone know the nominal duration of the Sonar locator beacons ?
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That's not necessarily true. If the descent was very slow, and high altitudes maintained a long time, they would not wake up.
Also, the latest is that they remained at 29,500
Without O2 there, they would not wake up.
If the crew rolled off a few thousand feet in the altitude select and got the plane startd down, that's when they MAY have passed out.
Also, the latest is that they remained at 29,500
Without O2 there, they would not wake up.
If the crew rolled off a few thousand feet in the altitude select and got the plane startd down, that's when they MAY have passed out.
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As one of the possibilities in this case has to be pilot action, I seem to recall that the captain had a simulator at his house. Would it be possible that the software on this could show what flight profiles the pilot had been practicing?
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Humble Pax here, sorry if this post has no place here, I do respect leaving it to the experts on here generally. However, I am absolutely flabbergasted that my phone and tablet can be tracked by GPS if they go astray, but according to an article on the BBC planes cannot, and black boxes cannot. Sorry if I have misunderstood and mods of course please delete if this is an unhelpful/useless post.
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Good grief.
I and others have said quite some time back that this plane caught fire in such a way, rapidly and severely that it overwhelmed the crew eventually.
We now have a rig worker claiming to have seen an aircraft near its track on fire at the time of disappearance and yet people on here still keep going on about depressurisation, hijacking, terrorism and mobile f***ing phones!
I believe you will find this aircraft went into the sea within 10nm of track relatively intact but probably near vertically and at high speed.
There will be very little left.
See Valujet 592 for an almost exact replay.
And before the pedants say yes but Valujet talked to Atc, yes they did but not every major fire sequence starts the same way and yes it is entirely possible for all communications to be interrupted by fire before the reporting systems were aware of it.
Quite some posts back somebody suggested that they knew this flight was loaded with a large cargo quantity of Lithium batteries? Is that correct?
I and others have said quite some time back that this plane caught fire in such a way, rapidly and severely that it overwhelmed the crew eventually.
We now have a rig worker claiming to have seen an aircraft near its track on fire at the time of disappearance and yet people on here still keep going on about depressurisation, hijacking, terrorism and mobile f***ing phones!
I believe you will find this aircraft went into the sea within 10nm of track relatively intact but probably near vertically and at high speed.
There will be very little left.
See Valujet 592 for an almost exact replay.
And before the pedants say yes but Valujet talked to Atc, yes they did but not every major fire sequence starts the same way and yes it is entirely possible for all communications to be interrupted by fire before the reporting systems were aware of it.
Quite some posts back somebody suggested that they knew this flight was loaded with a large cargo quantity of Lithium batteries? Is that correct?
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Apologies if this has been answered already.
When the flight lost contact at 1.30am, it was tracked on primary radar for a further 70 mins. #
With all this military/airforce, have the Malaysians been asked if they scrambled military aircraft to intercept the unidentified flight which actually flew over the peninsula ? If not, why not ?
When the flight lost contact at 1.30am, it was tracked on primary radar for a further 70 mins. #
With all this military/airforce, have the Malaysians been asked if they scrambled military aircraft to intercept the unidentified flight which actually flew over the peninsula ? If not, why not ?
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I have a lot more experience than you do in the IT industry my friend. Please don't try to teach granny how to suck eggs.
If you think that man has built a computer system than cannot be hacked, given enough effort and determination, you are deluded.
Even if the system isn't connected to anything else, it can be hacked by manufacture/maintenance/user subversion. The most dangerous security error is to imagine your system can't be hacked.
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Lot of misinformation regarding what a "hack" actually is. The ability to secure root access is largely a function of a true operating system allowing you to reach a command prompt that will accept an executable file. On a system like an avionics "computer" you have a fundamentally different purpose and architecture entirely. As mentioned by those with an intimate working knowledge even with full access and source code the system is not easy to manipulate.
Certainly not an expert but I'd wager very few entities have the combination of specific system knowledge and expertise to accomplish this, basically it would take major resources at a governmental level.
The real question is would access enable someone with lesser experience to degrade or destroy the system or interfere with the genuine inputs in such a way as to render the system inoperable. This is entirely different then actually hacking the system.
Certainly not an expert but I'd wager very few entities have the combination of specific system knowledge and expertise to accomplish this, basically it would take major resources at a governmental level.
The real question is would access enable someone with lesser experience to degrade or destroy the system or interfere with the genuine inputs in such a way as to render the system inoperable. This is entirely different then actually hacking the system.
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According to governments monitoring the area with sophisticated satellites watching for flashes, explosions, etc....none seen
The scenario is possible that the plane came apart with no fireball and is near where you say.
Never has been a verification about batteries. Just questions
I just don't think so.
The scenario is possible that the plane came apart with no fireball and is near where you say.
Never has been a verification about batteries. Just questions
I just don't think so.
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Yes!
FREDAcheck, as an IT professional I agree completely with that statement.
Some systems are more robust than others but none anr beyond compromise. As you correctly stated the human who build these systems are a security risk/weak point in their own right.
Some systems are more robust than others but none anr beyond compromise. As you correctly stated the human who build these systems are a security risk/weak point in their own right.
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Even a slow descent to FL100 would be recoverable.
What part of that is incorrect?
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Has the recording of supposed contact with the Naritan bound pilot been examined?
From my understanding this has not been convincingly ruled out as a vital piece of evidence.
Why?
From my understanding this has not been convincingly ruled out as a vital piece of evidence.
Why?
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Where is MH370?
Start with a circle centered on KUL and radius A/C endurance.
Now eliminate areas covered by other states civil radar if they confirm no radar trace.
Do the same for other states military radar.
Ask neighbouring states for any reports of A/C wreckage reports on land. This is not a sparsely populated area.
Continue in this vein until most likely area for search established.
An empirical method like this is more likely to produce a result than grasping at straws of 'possible turns' or 'fire in the sky' reports.
At the moment it seems the Malaysian authorities are jumping to solutions and that's never a good thing to do.
Now eliminate areas covered by other states civil radar if they confirm no radar trace.
Do the same for other states military radar.
Ask neighbouring states for any reports of A/C wreckage reports on land. This is not a sparsely populated area.
Continue in this vein until most likely area for search established.
An empirical method like this is more likely to produce a result than grasping at straws of 'possible turns' or 'fire in the sky' reports.
At the moment it seems the Malaysian authorities are jumping to solutions and that's never a good thing to do.
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even more ominous thought. What if the hijackers need an airplane for some terrorist mission. Possibly something as horrible as loading a nuke on the plane and flying it into some city. That would also explain why no one has claimed the hijacking, they would want to keep this quite until their plan is carried out.
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Similarly, you can't track an aircraft by ADS if it's not sending ADS messages anywhere, due to transmitter failure or whatever. Had they continued sending ADS messages, we'd already know where they were to within a few tens of miles.
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If you don't want your cell phone to be trackable, you have to remove the battery.
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As Bruce Schneier put it (he's one of the world's top security gurus): "Any competent security expert can build a system so secure that he or she cannot think of any way of hacking it." But someone else will.
Even if the system isn't connected to anything else, it can be hacked by manufacture/maintenance/user subversion. The most dangerous security error is to imagine your system can't be hacked.
Even if the system isn't connected to anything else, it can be hacked by manufacture/maintenance/user subversion. The most dangerous security error is to imagine your system can't be hacked.
However the basic sanity test of viability still very much puts WiFi / remote control of a Boeing 777 firmly into the Hollywood fiction category. I doubt Mr Schneier would disagree with me there.
Does the FAA also have have representatives there ?
And, again, does anyone know the nominal duration of the Sonar locator beacons ?
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More info on TSO-C121 spec beacons here ....
http://www.gpo.gov/fdsys/pkg/FR-2012.../2012-5213.htm
http://estock.aviall.com/pdf/catpage/1991.pdf
http://www.sea-avionics.com/lc/cart....bstring=DK-100