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Old 11th Mar 2014, 11:04
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Being tracked over this area is no indication that it crashed there or was hijacked. If correct, this report changes the whole scenario.
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Old 11th Mar 2014, 11:07
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Like I said earlier.....6 hours of fuel at 450kts.......it could be anywhere within about 2,700nm of Malaysia......
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Old 11th Mar 2014, 11:09
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Indeed the whole scenario is changed, apparently officially. But it does beg the question as to why so much effort was expended elsewhere?
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1:10 flight time makes sense from last location to Pulau Perak? What would the average speed be, considering they might have been flying low (but not too low as apparently military radar saw them)?

How much more flying time would they at that point have (min/max taking above average speed) and what airports would be reachable (where you can put down a 777) taking the initial computed average speed from last location to Pulau Perak?
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Old 11th Mar 2014, 11:11
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Re Pulau Perak. Plenty of snaps of it online (including some aerial ones), but interesting that GE has erased it completely.

So IF it's changed course at IGARI, then that gives the remaining original planned range of around 2100nm, or around 2600nm until dry.

Well, that's here..

http://www.gcmap.com/map?P=PEK,+KUL,...0&RC=%23000080
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Old 11th Mar 2014, 11:11
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Originally Posted by Claybird
OK, here's the latest development, from a Reuters cable:
Malaysia's military believes it tracked the missing Malaysia Airlines jetliner by radar over the Strait of Malacca, far from where it last made contact with civilian air traffic control off the country's east coast, a military source told Reuters.
Reuters must be feeling pretty special, getting exclusive intel direct from a "military source" now...
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Old 11th Mar 2014, 11:11
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Seems like the leaks are starting, and the picture may begin changing. Note to people who a running the press conferences.....standing in front of microphones, with a chest full of medals, and saying things, does not necessarily make it so.
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Old 11th Mar 2014, 11:12
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Malaysian Airlines MH370 contact lost

Well I guess this was to be expected given the SAR operations there over the past days. That being said it makes things even more bizarre. A crash in the Malacca straight would have most likely be spotted or at the very least generated some debris by now. And if they did not crash there where on earth is this aircraft ?!
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Old 11th Mar 2014, 11:13
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Yep, who has it and for what purpose???
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Old 11th Mar 2014, 11:14
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Originally Posted by compressor stall
Re Pulau Perak. Plenty of snaps of it online (including some aerial ones), but interesting that GE has erased it completely.
Google hasn't erased it, they use commerical satellite images. Pulau Perak is way to tiny for anyone to bother sending a satellite over it to take a photo. Even if they did you wouldn't see much at all. Not worth the time and effort.
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Old 11th Mar 2014, 11:14
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The obvious question is did it fly over Indonesia westbound.
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Old 11th Mar 2014, 11:16
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Question is how far did they manage to track it after Pulau Perak? I wonder if the Indos have checked their Radar data?
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Old 11th Mar 2014, 11:17
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You do realise this 777 could be at the bottom of the Indian Ocean 2000 nm west of Indo and never be found!!
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Old 11th Mar 2014, 11:19
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If it was obtained, I would fly it in the opposite direction of search groups. I would fly to a remote location with near to none cell/radar coverage. On the other hand, that would be between Malaysia and Australia (my guess). But then you need a pretty solid strip to land it and you need fuel to refuel it. The third question would be, what to do with it then? What to do with the PAX (who may be pretty hungry by now). There are no political hot topics in that area for which a 777 could be used to do something. Getting more bizarre.
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Old 11th Mar 2014, 11:21
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If it was only tracked by primary radar on its reverse course how did they know it was at a lower altitude?
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Old 11th Mar 2014, 11:22
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As mentioned many times Military Radars obviously have the capability to determine Position AND Altitude on un identified targets. ( for obvious reasons !! )
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Old 11th Mar 2014, 11:23
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Originally Posted by compressor stall
Re Pulau Perak. Plenty of snaps of it online (including some aerial ones), but interesting that GE has erased it completely.
GE (Google Earth) doesn't have 100% coverage of the earth, most notably small islands offshore. In Google maps, it is drawn, but only sea is seen in the sat view.
Its not a conspiracy....
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Old 11th Mar 2014, 11:23
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The Press briefing is becoming a farce.

Stop giggling and laughing!

Think of the families..
Typical Eastern Behavior when nervous, cut them a little slack.
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Old 11th Mar 2014, 11:24
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Originally Posted by compressor stall
The obvious question is did it fly over Indonesia westbound.
Perhaps the pilot was just as confused about geography as you are.
Please tell me that was a typo... you mean westbound over the Malay peninsula surely?

edited...OH, you mean after flying sw over Malaysia, which is accepted now. Apologies for questioning your geography.

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Old 11th Mar 2014, 11:26
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No he meant what he said, it flew west south west from IGARI back to the Strait of Mellaca and the question is "did it continue west over Indonesia?"
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