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Old 17th Jan 2017, 21:37   #11801 (permalink)
 
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Thanks for the link, RBF.

The detached cabin interior trim-panel from Door 1R, which is presumably the forward (service) door on the R/H side, and apparently confirmed as from MH370, suggests that the fuselage did not remain intact with all doors closed. Either the fuselage broke up, or the door opened as a random result of the impact of an unpressurised cabin, or a door-assist (opening) system was triggered, or someone opened the door after a relatively successful ditching. The latter seems unlikely.

Regarding fuselage breakup, this would have exposed most or all of the cabin trim panels to the elements. In that event I suggest that the finding of a door trim-panel would be less likely than panels from the rest of the cabin. It seems likely, therefore that Door 1R opened.
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Old 17th Jan 2017, 21:54   #11802 (permalink)
 
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From what I remember, other pieces of what could be cabin debris have been found (e.g. what appears to be part of a seat back), but they're not conclusively linked to MH370. But that's an interesting theory about the door.

Edit: the possible seat back panel is shown here: http://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-37820122
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Old 18th Jan 2017, 03:04   #11803 (permalink)
 
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I assume there were no relatives of yours or close family members on this aircraft. In my opinon, you made a rather silly remark without giving it much thought first. Yes, the search did cost a great deal & unfortunately it did have to stop sometime I suppose. However what would you have done, had you been in charge? Have you no thought for the families of all those who so sadly perished.

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Old 18th Jan 2017, 03:53   #11804 (permalink)
 
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Personally, I wonder if the scenario of some kind of aircraft damage (say, caused by an O2 bottle fire) that affected the flying characteristics of the aircraft, without it a being a major impediment, was considered in the flight path projections?

This would have the effect of shortening the calculated total flight distance - and this figure appears to me to be the singular major "rubbery" factor that has impacted on the success of the search.

If the total flight distance was say, 10% less than the "best projection", this obviously puts the aircraft well North of the designated search area - and the MH370 debris finds around Mauritius most certainly point to a more Northerly crash location.
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Old 18th Jan 2017, 08:19   #11805 (permalink)
 
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I assume there were no relatives of yours or close family members on this aircraft. In my opinon, you made a rather silly remark without giving it much thought first.
But he's got a point, why must Australia pay at all? It was a Malaysian aircraft and passengers were mostly Chinese, frankly it is China which is now such a large economy that should pick up the tab or even carry on the search at their own expense.
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Old 18th Jan 2017, 08:19   #11806 (permalink)
 
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kaikohe76,
Correct, there were no relatives of mine on board MH370. I respect your opinion that I "made a rather silly remark without giving it much thought first" but you are entirely wrong. I thought about it quite a bit and concluded that it is unreasonable for the Oz taxpayer to spend these vast amounts of money on something which really is irrelevant to 99% or more of them.
Were I in charge I would have sent the hat around to the major beneficiaries, the families of the victims, to fund the search. I'm certain that it would come back almost empty because most people these days expect somebody else to pay for things and avoid personal responsibility for these sorts of costs.
Personally I'd dearly love to know what happened but my more than 40 years in longhaul aviation has taught me much, including how to determine cost/benefit ratios, and this one does not stack up.
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Old 18th Jan 2017, 09:19   #11807 (permalink)
 
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kaikohe76,
Correct, there were no relatives of mine on board MH370. I respect your opinion that I "made a rather silly remark without giving it much thought first" but you are entirely wrong. I thought about it quite a bit and concluded that it is unreasonable for the Oz taxpayer to spend these vast amounts of money on something which really is irrelevant to 99% or more of them.
Were I in charge I would have sent the hat around to the major beneficiaries, the families of the victims, to fund the search. I'm certain that it would come back almost empty because most people these days expect somebody else to pay for things and avoid personal responsibility for these sorts of costs.
Personally I'd dearly love to know what happened but my more than 40 years in longhaul aviation has taught me much, including how to determine cost/benefit ratios, and this one does not stack up.
You seriously want to make the relatives pay??????
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Old 16th Aug 2017, 05:59   #11808 (permalink)
 
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MH370: "explosive" report

May have legs...
MH370: New report virtually pinpoints location of missing flight
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Old 16th Aug 2017, 06:12   #11809 (permalink)
 
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I guess we can only hope and keep waiting.
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Old 16th Aug 2017, 06:13   #11810 (permalink)
 
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Yes but the Turnbull Government will spend the next few years working out who is going to pay for it.

Then another 12 months negotiating contracts. Then Labour will probably take power and its back to square 1....

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Old 16th Aug 2017, 06:44   #11811 (permalink)
 
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It's been reported the search organisation are prepared to resume looking for MH370 in return for a success fee from Malaysian Airlines.

Makes me wonder whether they know something nobody else does?
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Old 16th Aug 2017, 06:54   #11812 (permalink)
 
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Who's aeroplane was it? Where did it takeoff from? Where was it going?
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Old 16th Aug 2017, 07:53   #11813 (permalink)
 
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A bit more info here for anyone interested.


MH370: 1258 days later, new analysis pinpoints possible location of missing Malaysia Airlines plane
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Old 16th Aug 2017, 08:12   #11814 (permalink)
 
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"We don't know definitely if these items are actually parts of the plane. But they are right where we expected there to be pieces of plane, based on all our other evidence. It might be a false lead, but it's worth pursuing if you want to continue the search."

There's the issue: if you scoured other tracts of ocean, would you similarly find apparent man-made 'bits'?
I think so. There's a lot of shipping containers and the like in the oceans that never made it to destination.
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Old 16th Aug 2017, 08:25   #11815 (permalink)
 
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The original search has been costed at $160 million to search 120,000 square kilometres. The new search of only 5,000 square kilometres should therefore only cost $6.4 million. That seems like a bargain if it wasn't for the suggestion that the area that actually might need to be searched is 25,000 square kilometres or very nearly a fifth as large as the original search. That would probably end up costing $32 million and does not seem such a reasonable sum given the low probability of success.

Putting forward a small initial search area is a useful psychological ploy. Once on the hook for a few million dollars, it becomes much easier to attempt to seek further funding to extend the search given the amount invested to date.

So is this really a bargain basement solution or a cynical attempt to milk more government funds out of this tragedy?
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Old 16th Aug 2017, 08:52   #11816 (permalink)
 
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Shouldn't we hear more about the police investigation results of the pilot's background first before the next pointless seafloor search is called for?
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Old 16th Aug 2017, 10:06   #11817 (permalink)
 
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MH370 drift

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MH370 - drift analysis
David Griffin
16 August 2017

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News video that points to above (via google)
https://thewest.com.au/news/mh370/mh...-ng-b88566773z
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