Malaysian Airlines MH370 contact lost
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Having worked in China, if the transcript was leaked in Mandarin then translated into English, if you gave the original doc to two different translators, you would get two different interpretations of the narrative.
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Do MH crew generally talk to KLI in Malay or English?
This not a transcript but I think a precis of the actual which has been rewritten to simplify it for a person not familiar ACT with usage which has been translated several times. As the source is stated to be a Mandarin version I conclude the leak has come from China.
There no mention of wind or pressure?
This not a transcript but I think a precis of the actual which has been rewritten to simplify it for a person not familiar ACT with usage which has been translated several times. As the source is stated to be a Mandarin version I conclude the leak has come from China.
There no mention of wind or pressure?
Inmarsat
The simplest explanation is that inmarsat are tracing a terminal not installed on the lost aircraft.
Once ranging errors are allowed for, the likely location of the inmarsat terminal is the maintenance base at KL.
Take the pings out of the equation, and we have a very simple scenario; fire compromises comms system, fire results in loss of aircraft control. Aircraft crashes in Asia.
PS: i've been posting this hypothesis since the 16th, but my posts have never appeared.
Once ranging errors are allowed for, the likely location of the inmarsat terminal is the maintenance base at KL.
Take the pings out of the equation, and we have a very simple scenario; fire compromises comms system, fire results in loss of aircraft control. Aircraft crashes in Asia.
PS: i've been posting this hypothesis since the 16th, but my posts have never appeared.
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KA-life - Posted yesterday, I think, 53.tonnes of fuel, sound about right?
Galaxyflyer - Yes, agreed and the only sensible mode to use given there doesn't seem to be a specific destination.
Galaxyflyer - Yes, agreed and the only sensible mode to use given there doesn't seem to be a specific destination.
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Fuel load
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Earlier Bloomberg article quote:
"The Boeing 777 was carrying 49.1 metric tons (54.1 tons) of fuel when it departed Kuala Lumpur, for a total takeoff weight of 223.5 tons, according to Subang Jaya-based Malaysian Air."
Earlier Bloomberg article quote:
"The Boeing 777 was carrying 49.1 metric tons (54.1 tons) of fuel when it departed Kuala Lumpur, for a total takeoff weight of 223.5 tons, according to Subang Jaya-based Malaysian Air."
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The simplest explanation is that inmarsat are tracing a terminal not installed on the lost aircraft.
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Do MH crew generally talk to KLI in Malay or English?
There no mention of wind or pressure?
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If it's not the real terminal, this would probably be the most sophisticated hijacking ever seen (which, admittedly, it may still turn out to be).
Spoofing would probably be possible, but would take a substantial amount of technical knowledge. The pings along show it's not a stationary terminal, unless someone has dismantled it and managed to adjust the synchronization internally to just the right level with millisecond accuracy, or has written some pretty complex software to emulate a terminal. They'd also need to know just when the real 777's SATCOM terminal went off so they could turn theirs on.
If it's not the real terminal, this would probably be the most sophisticated hijacking ever seen (which, admittedly, it may still turn out to be).
If it's not the real terminal, this would probably be the most sophisticated hijacking ever seen (which, admittedly, it may still turn out to be).
I wasn't suggesting spoofing. I'm suggesting screw-up. Administratively, one party in the chain has lost track of where this terminal/sim/identifier is.
Aircraft lost. Terminal not aboard 9M-MRO (terminal on the ground at KL) keeps transmitting. Someone comes in to work the next day at KL and turns it off. The signal was heard by the IOR bird but not the POR bird and this is being interpreted as "terminal not located near the equator"; I interpret the IOR but not POR as "there is a building/hanger on the eastern side of the terminal's location in KL."
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Post Mortem?
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"In the coming weeks items from the crash or bodies may find themselves washed ashore. A PM of any such bodies will reveal either smoke damage to lungs or possible other causes.."
Unlikely for 2 likely reasons:
[1] = crabs,
[2] = fish.
Sorry, but that's reality....
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"In the coming weeks items from the crash or bodies may find themselves washed ashore. A PM of any such bodies will reveal either smoke damage to lungs or possible other causes.."
Unlikely for 2 likely reasons:
[1] = crabs,
[2] = fish.
Sorry, but that's reality....
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Protocol
Any pilots still reading this thread wish to comment?
Yes sometimes we revert to casual greetings like thanks, goodnight, good day good morning, a few words to humanise the relationship after lots of formal exchanges...
always thanks centre after landing and cancelling SAR and on transfer usually say call followed by thanks or see you later...why not
I think people reading too much into pilots contribution and should as I have said be asking what did the passengers do for 7 hours watch videos??
Very interesting article about the ramifications of this
The sinister, scary impact of Malaysia Airlines Flight MH370 - Intelligent Travel
Yes sometimes we revert to casual greetings like thanks, goodnight, good day good morning, a few words to humanise the relationship after lots of formal exchanges...
always thanks centre after landing and cancelling SAR and on transfer usually say call followed by thanks or see you later...why not
I think people reading too much into pilots contribution and should as I have said be asking what did the passengers do for 7 hours watch videos??
Very interesting article about the ramifications of this
The sinister, scary impact of Malaysia Airlines Flight MH370 - Intelligent Travel
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What really bothers me here.
Is the Media.
As pilots we have jobs, we know how to do correctly.
CNN is the worst and should stop this.
Now some bad guy knows how to turn off the transponder.
He knows how to scratch pad another position in the FMS then execute it.
He knows the E and E and where to look for C/B acars etc.
Those in the sim everyday showing and demonstrating this on CNN is bad news.
The public does not need to know these things, the bad guys will use against us again.
I know the world wants news , but some things about how web operate should never be on the TV.
It will bite us all in the ass later.
Is the Media.
As pilots we have jobs, we know how to do correctly.
CNN is the worst and should stop this.
Now some bad guy knows how to turn off the transponder.
He knows how to scratch pad another position in the FMS then execute it.
He knows the E and E and where to look for C/B acars etc.
Those in the sim everyday showing and demonstrating this on CNN is bad news.
The public does not need to know these things, the bad guys will use against us again.
I know the world wants news , but some things about how web operate should never be on the TV.
It will bite us all in the ass later.
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ATC Aircraft transcript
Revealed: the final 54 minutes of communication from MH370 - Telegraph
That's a transcript that is nothing like any ATC to aircraft departure sequence that I have heard.
Even the take off clearance is read back as clear to take off"" and callsign last in which case it should have been Malaysian Three Seven Zero
Malaysia is ICAO..
Can some one confirm what the normal instruction and response is going out of any ATC airport in that region please?
That's a transcript that is nothing like any ATC to aircraft departure sequence that I have heard.
Even the take off clearance is read back as clear to take off"" and callsign last in which case it should have been Malaysian Three Seven Zero
Malaysia is ICAO..
Can some one confirm what the normal instruction and response is going out of any ATC airport in that region please?
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I wish they would release the actual audio recording, they have released the transcript now release the MP3! 
@ZAZ
Go to http://www.liveatc.net/flisten.php?m...mkk2&icao=wmkk and listen live to KL
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Go to http://www.liveatc.net/flisten.php?m...mkk2&icao=wmkk and listen live to KL
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ATC "transcript"
The document posted by tbe Telegraph does NOT reflect normal communications by Malaysian ATC or pilots operating there. It's rubbish. No need to flog that topic anymore.
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Malaysian RT
I have flown in Malaysia (indeed very recently) and I can assure you, everyone speaks English, even locals to locals. Not always easy to understand their accents, but I have heard very little "jargon". I even tried to say "salamat pagi" on first contact with ground one morning and they came back with "good morning." Based on my experience, the transcript is nonsense and all instructions, whether commercial or GA flying are fully ICAO.
I've followed this thread pretty much all the way and resisted adding to the maelstrom until now.
But has anyone noticed the alignement of the runway at Langkawi?
03/21.
Now lets supposing we're talking about a Swissair 111/helios 552 type incident, basically crew incapacitation. And they manage to get lined up onto R21 before promptly succumbing.
Would someone better able than me care to plot one more map with that heading extrapolated? Where if anywhere does that intersect with the southern arc? And would anything from that coincide with probable range from the now reported 54.1 tons fuel? Just an idea.
Bless their hearts whatever happened to them.
But has anyone noticed the alignement of the runway at Langkawi?
03/21.
Now lets supposing we're talking about a Swissair 111/helios 552 type incident, basically crew incapacitation. And they manage to get lined up onto R21 before promptly succumbing.
Would someone better able than me care to plot one more map with that heading extrapolated? Where if anywhere does that intersect with the southern arc? And would anything from that coincide with probable range from the now reported 54.1 tons fuel? Just an idea.
Bless their hearts whatever happened to them.
I agree, CNN had a reporter in a 777 Sim ( not a "real" Sim )
He showed the world where the transponder was located and how to select the Hijack code!!
I mean come on.........
Langkawi is a one way strip, land on 03 and depart 21 due to terrain..
He showed the world where the transponder was located and how to select the Hijack code!!
I mean come on.........
Langkawi is a one way strip, land on 03 and depart 21 due to terrain..
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Thanks for killing that one off succinctly nitpicker.
Flown in there as pax so should have known!
Does anyone know what the designated diverts were, dont recall any mention of it. Can Tho?
Flown in there as pax so should have known!
Does anyone know what the designated diverts were, dont recall any mention of it. Can Tho?
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PMDG 777 Simulator Package
The transponder location, usage and FMS details are available for $90 US in a "BOEING Officially Licensed Product." Run the PMDG 777 sim package in FSX or Prepar3D on a $2000 PC and you have most of the answers. The PMDG sim will provide way more detail than has been conveyed on Television.
PMDG Simulations - this link is for the 777 sim package - take a quick look at the details
There are also multiple manuals and study guides published on real paper and on the internet that provide very specific guidance to want-to-be 777 pilots.
Talking Heads (knowledgeable or not) are not revealing any secrets - at least based on the very technical discussions in the very PUBLIC PMDG and FSX user groups.
PMDG Simulations - this link is for the 777 sim package - take a quick look at the details
There are also multiple manuals and study guides published on real paper and on the internet that provide very specific guidance to want-to-be 777 pilots.
Talking Heads (knowledgeable or not) are not revealing any secrets - at least based on the very technical discussions in the very PUBLIC PMDG and FSX user groups.
