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Old 21st Mar 2014, 02:09   #6781 (permalink)
 
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Leeuwin class..

..I believe they have another Leeuwin class ship as well -HMAS Melville - may already be in area.
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Old 21st Mar 2014, 02:18   #6782 (permalink)
 
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Am still trying to get my head around that quote! "....as early as 2 days after the aircraft disappeared."! What are the journalists drinking? Are they including some bizarre refueling theory that hasn't been shared with us?
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Old 21st Mar 2014, 02:24   #6783 (permalink)
 
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but the speed would start to bleed off due to the thrust reduction and control inputs. As the speed bleeds off the A/P will try to hold the altitude and then eventually disconnect.
Not on the 777 I flew. If the TAC can handle the asymmetry, (debatable without a bit of help from a friendly foot - the TAC is not designed to do all the work, just to assist, and it gives different percentages of assistance in cruise than on takeoff), once the speed reduces to the lower envelope protection, the aircraft will descend, maintaining that min safe speed, I think at 300fpm, a more than acceptable rate of descent for a ditching.
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Old 21st Mar 2014, 02:25   #6784 (permalink)
 
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Some more information about the Inmarsat data:

"Malaysia failed to act on satellite data that showed missing flight MH370 flew for another seven hours after it disappeared, it has been revealed.

Inmarsat, a British satellite company, has told the BBC that it knew on March 11 that the plane was likely to be in either the southern Indian Ocean or central Malaysia and not the Malacca Strait or South China Sea.

The company handed the information over to Malaysia on March 12, but then the country apparently failed to act on the data.

Inmarsat has now spoken out over fears that the search has been mishandled because Malaysia did not publicly acknowledge the data until March 15."


Flight MH370: Malaysia 'knew plane flew for another seven hours at least three days before widening the search' - Mirror Online
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Old 21st Mar 2014, 02:28   #6785 (permalink)
 
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300fpm descent

More likely then to undergo a surface breakup as compared to a nose-dive.
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Old 21st Mar 2014, 02:30   #6786 (permalink)
 
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This is the current location of the Norwegian vessel Hoegh St Petersburg:



Seems they are close to search area..
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Old 21st Mar 2014, 02:39   #6787 (permalink)
 
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Leeuwin class..

Both HMAS Leeuwin and HMAS Melville home port is Cairns which is an awful long way away, even by AUS standards of distance.
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Old 21st Mar 2014, 02:39   #6788 (permalink)
 
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If it is the aircraft is it possible to salvage the recorders in 20,000ft of water or more.
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Old 21st Mar 2014, 02:40   #6789 (permalink)
 
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Senior VP from Immarst says passed data was passed within a couple of days to Malyasia government.....waited for days to act...
Thanks Andy. Fox just passed same info...
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Old 21st Mar 2014, 02:47   #6790 (permalink)
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VH-MLE,

VH-TGG IS A Global Express, not a Gulfstream.

It departed YPPH at 0833(WST) for the search area.
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Old 21st Mar 2014, 02:49   #6791 (permalink)
 
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If it is the aircraft is it possible to salvage the recorders in 20,000ft of water or more.
Yes there are remote control and manned control devices which can go that deep but unlikely as a bit like finding a needle in a haystack.
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Old 21st Mar 2014, 02:49   #6792 (permalink)
 
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I keep hearing these "expert" commentators on TV, saying they don't know why the 406mhz signal hasn't been detected from at least one of the ELT's, while they are talking about the plane being in the Indian Ocean. It's because 406mhz won't go through water!!! The ELT is for a crash on land. Why can't at least one of them know this? Most of them are experts on many aspects of airplanes and crashes, but they shouldn't make out like the ELT's will work through water!
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Old 21st Mar 2014, 02:52   #6793 (permalink)
 
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Originally Posted by Staggerwing
Hunter 58,

Early in this blog, I made a post concerning radar tracking by naval vessels that may have been close to the flight path of the aircraft. I did not receive a reply from anyone at the time and maybe you could answer the question: would naval vessels be able to track the aircraft using primary returns and, if so, what would be the range if the aircraft remained at a FL greater than FL200?

I was assuming that there would have been some naval vessels, from various countries, operating somewhere in the area believed to have been overflown by the aircraft.

Regardless I would think it would be safe to assume the U.S. has satellite coverage of everything that moves in that neighborhood.
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Old 21st Mar 2014, 03:00   #6794 (permalink)
 
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VH-TGG is owned by the Gandel Group. John Gandel owns a large private property business. He is a multi-billionaire. It looks like the aircraft was chartered by AMSA.
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Old 21st Mar 2014, 03:10   #6795 (permalink)
 
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Quote: Sometimes the aircraft stays together and floats for days.

Hardly likely if it goes down in the roaring 40s
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Old 21st Mar 2014, 03:13   #6796 (permalink)
 
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FWIW: The recorders are rated to survive for 30 days at 20,000 feet.
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Old 21st Mar 2014, 03:35   #6797 (permalink)
 
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The Hoegh St Petersburg was diverted 3 days ago. When was the news broken?


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Old 21st Mar 2014, 03:47   #6798 (permalink)
 
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The CVR and FDR will last for years (depending on impact damage) its the sonar pinger batteries that are certified for at least 30 days. Anything over 30 days is gravy.
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Old 21st Mar 2014, 03:57   #6799 (permalink)
 
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DOES ANYONE KNOW if malyasian air has a pilot's union? IFALP?

wondering why we haven't heard from them if they have one?
Why should we, if there's nothing to say, don't say it ?

We don't know if the pilots were HERO or ZERO, and 'suggestions' that the pilots might have been implicated in some deliberate way are perfectly valid at the moment but until any unproven allegations are made against them the Union has no role to play - yet.
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Old 21st Mar 2014, 04:09   #6800 (permalink)
 
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BBC News

BBC News just now "It's far too early to be jumping to conclusions." !!
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