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Malaysian Airlines MH370 contact lost

Old 19th Mar 2014, 08:35
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Politics is really showing up now. Thailand had radar information about the change of track on day one, but did not share it, because 'they were not asked'.

Search aircraft are sitting on the ground because governments are reluctant to give over flight permission.

The whole thing is becoming a bigger mess as each hour passes.
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Old 19th Mar 2014, 08:38
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Did you see the report (media) where it said Malaysia had asked (the US and Aust) for the raw data or any info from Pine Gap that might relate to the aircraft ! Not sure they will get a response they will like !
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Old 19th Mar 2014, 08:44
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I can understand that 500N.They didn't ask Thailand and look what happened.Worth a try anyway.
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Old 19th Mar 2014, 08:45
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regarding somekind of fire, let me quote my own post three days ago :

i must say i finally do not believe all the fancy rumours.

i think they had somekind of an initially undetected smoldering fire in the electronic bay which disabled one system after another - starting with acars. after system failures began they decided to turn back to malaysia , using the heading mode .

just in the turn the fire melted through the structure resulting in a rapid decompression. the crew oxygen bottles, stored in the electronic bay, failed and the pilots were out of order. the decompression by itself also put off this fire.

the autopilot continued to work and stucked in the turn on a heading towards indian ocean where the plane continued until fuel exhaustion and then crashed.

any news on altitude changes etc are just false rumour from the malysian side.

it maybe that "simple".
i of course also can only guess but tell you should the thing will ever be resolved many of you will look as stupid as it can be with all the conspirancy theories. it makes perfectly no sense to hijack an aircraft just to fly it on the open ocean and crash without any word, suicide by pilot for life insurance is if far more easy by car against a tree than with this scenario , an unknown landing can be pretty sure excluded.

look at AF447 - what was speculated by "experts" - and who assumed they just stalled the thing and three pilots were not aware of it for several minutes.

this thread started good with useful info but quickly turned stupid, overhelmed by the usual "professional" entries, and should some people involved in the search or broadcasting serious reports on the incident read this all they surely will only have a laugh. i strongly recommend in future somekind of a system where you have to proof to the admin who you are before contributing in such discussions, otherwise this will ever be only a valve for people searching the thrill in wild speculations without any relationship to reality .
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Old 19th Mar 2014, 08:46
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Electrical fire, smoke, fought by increasing altitude to FL45,
Wow, 'increase alt to FL45'??

Mate, stick to FS98 like 99.9% of the posters on this forum!
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Old 19th Mar 2014, 08:47
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Any fire/crew incapacitation theory has to account for the fire selectively disabling only comm systems yet leaving the AFDS systems alone so the aircraft then flies along last programmed route until fuel exhaustion and then crashing. I'm pretty sure all that stuff is in the ee bay.
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Old 19th Mar 2014, 08:49
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"Worth a try anyway."

I see you changed your post !

Yes, worth a try but I don't like the chances, even if it isn't so "super secret" any more but that is different to handing over data / info. If they did have anything I would say that Aus / US aircraft / ships would use it and suggest to Malaysia to help in that area.

As has been suggested by a SAR person before on another search, a discreet word was said to "search over there" without being told why and that is where they found it.
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Old 19th Mar 2014, 08:49
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Boeing Share Price - and following the money

Interesting and incisive thoughts about Boeing, and following the money.

In Air France 447, Airbus looked at the ACARS data (released into the public domain only 76 hours after disappearance - and 48 hours before any debris spotted), and formed their own view. Airbus certainly wanted the black boxes recovered, so they could tell their story about Air France. Hence 30m Euro was found by Airbus and Air France (and their insurers) to recover the boxes.

Has anyone asked Boeing publicly what they are actively doing to assist the Investigation?
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Old 19th Mar 2014, 08:54
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What did the 200 odd pas do during this event. Sit and watch movies for 7 hours. I imagine at least some would try to storm the flite deck. If in fact anyone was still alive. Now we have the Maldives, some fishermen in Malaysia also reporting a low flying jet. And reluctant govts giving out radar data. As for Jindalee doubt if is operating in the wee small hours, it relies on hf prop which is not too good in middle of the night at 17 to 24 MHz.
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Old 19th Mar 2014, 08:54
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I don't know Hempy. I though I had read ages back that Vietnam saw them turn back to Malaysia, and they had told the Malaysians. I don't know if this means they told them in real time, or only later when everyone realised it had gone missing. Not sure anyone knows given the way so may things have been stated one day and then revised the next.

People here have said they heard HCM trying to contact them. I think also the other MH flight was asked to try to raise them.
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Old 19th Mar 2014, 09:01
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If Aus/US had/have any useful data from Pine Gap they will be using it in the search. Australia is in charge of the southern search.

Not much point telling Malaysia unless to help them make a bigger pig's ear out of the matter than has already happened.
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Old 19th Mar 2014, 09:10
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Its shame the way this has all been handled. And how the lack of cooperation between countries seems to have let the search down. GEO political issues aside, I hope they can learn from this and have a concerted ASEAN approach to search and rescue. I 've been flying these routes and others daily for the last 8 years and since the debacle of the Adam Air search. I thought we were over this and lessons had been learnt. But obviously not.
In Central America they combined their ATC and SAR response many years ago, all for the better.
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Old 19th Mar 2014, 09:12
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RADAR on Cocos (Keeling) Islands ?

I understand Australia has an impressive surveillance RADAR on their mainland (JORN).

Now I was wondering: If one inverts so much money into such a RADAR on the mainland, then wouldn't it be logical to take advantage of the location of Cocos (Keeling) Islands to dramatically extend the range ?

One of AMSAs media releases it states P3 Orion have relocated from Cocos (Keeling) Islands to Perth to assist the SAR, so there must be some infrastructure on the Island and MH370 may have passed close by. Maybe some data points may be derived by knowing if it was painted by primary radar or not.

Any of you folks from Down Under can comment ?

BTW: Kudos for your SAR effort.
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Old 19th Mar 2014, 09:13
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Originally Posted by CaptainEmad
Hypoxia is nasty and extremely insidious.

I have experienced it in a chamber. After spending 2 mins off Oxygen trying to fill in a worksheet, I only managed to make a start on my name at the top.
The first two letters of my name.

Apart from a big grin, I wasnt aware of any problem.

And this paralysis occured after a rapid decompression from 8000 to only F250.

Quite. Of course in the bang chamber you know it's going to happen. If it is not a rapid decompression, is no bang, no vapour, not sudden temperature drop, but a quick decompression you may not be as aware that you have decompressed until too late. Cabin pressurisation OFF even by accident?

We experienced this once when the PNF reacted wrongly to the checklist. He should have been switching fuel tank pressurisation and gave the response "No Pressure" which we recognised immediately was cabin pressurisation and not the response "Off" that we had expected. We decompressed but slowly.

Personally I am lucky; I feel sick before I become hypoxic.
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Old 19th Mar 2014, 09:14
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It did occur to me that while there are clear geographical and logistic reasons for Australia to take charge of the Southern search area, there is also the possibility that the US may be more willing to reveal any information they may have to the Australians than the Malaysians.
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Old 19th Mar 2014, 09:14
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It is the responsibility of the accepting ATC unit to initiate Comms checks in the event of a missed call, and after 15 minutes to initiate the appropriate SAR phase. These comm checks include coordination with the preceding ATC unit. Seeing the aircraft

a. stop squawking mode S,
b. cease comms, and
c. make an unapproved route AND level deviation,

surely would trigger DISTRESS in any mans language. The fact that a distress phase wasn't launched for 1 hour and 20 minutes after the transfer is an indictment on all involved, and no doubt has had an influence over the fact that this search has gone on so long with absolutely zero results..
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Old 19th Mar 2014, 09:16
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Question.

What would you do as pilot of a 777 (or comparable aircraft) if faced with a 'significant' electrical fire in the exact position south of Vietnam where MH370 deviated from course?

This is for commercial pilots to answer, not sim heads, fanboys, etc.
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Old 19th Mar 2014, 09:17
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Old 19th Mar 2014, 09:18
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Old 19th Mar 2014, 09:19
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Citizens of countries that claim that they don't operate military radars at night or on weekends should be asking some very searching questions.

Or at least they should apply for a 40% refund on taxes paid if the government is only working part-time to protect their territory.

Just a note on the Maldives report, there's no way that any such sighting could be consistent with the end-point on the now-infamous "red arcs" but we should get some clarity as to how the 0615h local compares to the 0811h end of sequence that establishes the red arcs. I understand that the 0811h is equivalent to 0011z (UTC) and would imagine that 0615h in Maldives time might be about 2315z, possibly 2215z or 0015z. Any of these is too close to 0011z to allow a plane to be in the two different locations. The minimum flight time from Maldives to the red arc to the north is about 4 hours, surely.
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