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Old 12th Mar 2014, 06:22   #2061 (permalink)
 
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'Now they seem to be saying that there is no radar record of the flight to the West of the mainland?'

No they aren't. They are saying there is no CONFIRMED record. Quite a different thing. The lack of confirmed information is why they continue to search over such a huge area. That's what anyone sensible would do.

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Old 12th Mar 2014, 06:26   #2062 (permalink)
 
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Yes you can depress manually. About half an hour in a 772 at FL350 until O2 depletion Give or take. That's by memory as they have removed the figures from our manuals now .

No you must make a manual rapid decent.
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Old 12th Mar 2014, 06:30   #2063 (permalink)
 
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The masks would automatically deploy, why someone would not be donning one?
But they only last a few minutes, if the pilot stayed at altitude, they would have been next to useless in short time.
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Old 12th Mar 2014, 06:43   #2064 (permalink)


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Life Raft found

MISSING MH370: Hopes as fishermen find life raft near PD - Latest - New Straits Times

Would this be typical of one used in a B777?
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Old 12th Mar 2014, 06:44   #2065 (permalink)
 
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Re deanm #2157... (Air Helios B-737 crash)

"The emergency oxygen supply in the passenger cabin of this model of Boeing 737 is provided by chemical generators that provide enough oxygen, through breathing masks, to sustain consciousness for about 12 minutes, normally sufficient for an emergency descent to 10,000 feet (3,000 m), "

Was / is the 777 any different..??
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Old 12th Mar 2014, 06:45   #2066 (permalink)
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BBC is reporting just now, that oil rig workers saw a burning aircraft off the coast of Veitnam. Search aircraft are being sent to the area.
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Old 12th Mar 2014, 06:48   #2067 (permalink)
 
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@Stormy & Porterhouse: I note that on Helios 522, SLF O2 masks deployed, but were seen dangling unused by F16 chase pilots .....

Helios Airways Flight 522 - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

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Yes the Chemical Oxygen Generator lasts only at least 15 minutes....then they are empty. The Helios plane never attempted to descend & the pilot lost conciousness. The plane continued to fly on auto pilot at FL340 (34,000 feet) until fuel exhaustion.

Emergency oxygen system - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
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Old 12th Mar 2014, 06:49   #2068 (permalink)
 
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MISSING MH370: Hopes as fishermen find life raft near PD - Latest - New Straits Times

There's a photo there as well - is this a standard kit on the T7? Port Dickson is on the Straits of Malacca. If this belongs to MH370, this could get rather interesting.
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Old 12th Mar 2014, 06:55   #2069 (permalink)
 
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MISSING MH370: Hopes as fishermen find life raft near PD - Latest - New Straits Times

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PORT DICKSON: A group of fishermen found a life raft bearing the word “Boarding” 10 nautical miles from Port Dickson town at 12pm yesterday.
One of the fishermen, Azman Mohamad, 40, said they found the badly damaged raft floating and immediately notified the Kuala Linggi Malaysian Maritime Enforcement Agency (MMEA) in Malacca for assistance to lift the raft as it was very heavy.
"We managed to tie it to our boat as we feared it would sink due to the damages," he said.
When the MMEA boat arrived, the fishermen then handed over the raft into their custody.
However, a Kuala Linggi MMEA spokesman said the raft sunk into the sea while they were trying to bring the raft onboard.


Read more: MISSING MH370: Hopes as fishermen find life raft near PD - Latest - New Straits Times MISSING MH370: Hopes as fishermen find life raft near PD - Latest - New Straits Times
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Old 12th Mar 2014, 06:55   #2070 (permalink)
 
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A group of fishermen found a life raft bearing the word “Boarding” 10 nautical miles from Port Dickson
Please correct me if I'm wrong, but the photo seems to show a maritime life-raft rather than one used in aviation.
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Old 12th Mar 2014, 06:59   #2071 (permalink)
 
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The location given by the Oil Rig worker relates closely to the position the Cathay Pacific crew reported debris in the water........
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Old 12th Mar 2014, 06:59   #2072 (permalink)
 
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It seems very disorganised by the Malaysian Government. Just reading below makes you shake your head at their incompetence over this incident:

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Vietnam said it had halted its air search and scaled back a sea search while it waited for Malaysia to offer more detail.

“We’ve decided to temporarily suspend some search and rescue activities, pending information from Malaysia,” deputy minister of transport Pham Quy Tieu told AFP.

Asked about the claim that the plane had last been detected over the Strait of Malacca - suggesting it had crossed the entire peninsula - he replied: “We’ve asked Malaysian authorities twice, but so far they have not replied to us.

“We informed Malaysia on the day we lost contact with the flight that we noticed the flight turned back west but Malaysia did not respond.”

Malaysia’s air force chief denied telling a local newspaper that the aircraft was last detected at 2.40am on the western coast of the Malay peninsula by a military radar - a detail confirmed to news agencies by at least one unnamed military official.
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Old 12th Mar 2014, 06:59   #2073 (permalink)
 
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Please correct me if I'm wrong, but the photo seems to show a maritime life-raft rather than one used in aviation.
Looks that way to me too - it's been in the water a while as well as the top is faded and the ropes are filthy. It certainly matches a maritime one.

An aircraft evacuation slide looks rather different from my point of view. I'm sure though the media will report in breathlessly.
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Old 12th Mar 2014, 06:59   #2074 (permalink)
 
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Very convincing..NOT!

Good on position and bearings, but an accurate date and time would make the the so-called sighting more convincing.
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Old 12th Mar 2014, 07:00   #2075 (permalink)
 
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Unfortunate that Mr. McKay's efforts to help has now resulted in his email address, full names and passport details to be revealed.
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Old 12th Mar 2014, 07:02   #2076 (permalink)
 
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Why is it suspicious? Looks like a real email at first look to me.

The only sus thing is the NZ passport number on the bottom, too many 8's in it for my liking...
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Old 12th Mar 2014, 07:03   #2077 (permalink)
 
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Griffo: if the masks weren't donned (as per Helios) it doesn't matter how long the O2 supply could potentially sustain passengers/cabin crew....

If I were (legitimately or otherwise) up front wearing cockpit O2/smoke mask before manual depress, I would expect my emergency O2 supply to last considerably longer than that for SLF....
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Old 12th Mar 2014, 07:11   #2078 (permalink)
 
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life raft

all life raft i've seen installed on widebody have light gray color. Life raft found at Port Dickson is black so this is not the typical life raft on large commercial jet. Its likely that this is use by marine vessels.

http://assets.nydailynews.com/polopo...ash-asiana.jpg
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Old 12th Mar 2014, 07:18   #2079 (permalink)
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Hang on.....the Vietnamese Authorites are now saying that when the aircraft first went missing, they tracked it going west and they told the Malaysians, but they did not respond back to them.

As each hour passes, a huge cover up seems to be more and more possible.
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Old 12th Mar 2014, 07:20   #2080 (permalink)
 
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all life raft i've seen installed on widebody have light gray color. Life raft found at Port Dickson is black so this is not the typical life raft on large commercial jet. Its likely that this is use by marine vessels.
Let us also not forget Port Dickson's location in relation to KUL. Even if the source of the raft were ambiguous, that seems much too south. Combined with the amount of ship traffic through that area, it would appear completely unrelated.
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