A Fokker 27 loses it's propeller at take-off in Paris (CDG)
Seems there have been quite a few of those Dart failures. At my outfit, we had one in the early eighties, as far as I can recall the low speed impeller on the left engine disintegrated as the gear was being retracted, the left gear stopped about 2/3 of the way up and was stuck that way. Both the nose gear and right main gear fully retracted which is proably what saved the aircraft. The forward part of the engine and propeller tilted forward at an angle and was really hanging on by a thread. Aircraft landed safely.
I never liked the Fokker F27. Everything that possibly could break/fail did,
electrics and pneumatics were crap.
I never liked the Fokker F27. Everything that possibly could break/fail did,
electrics and pneumatics were crap.
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I'm not a pilot but travelled many times to Guernsey on Darts in the 70's and had some interesting experiences. Went through a tropical storm though in N Queensland in one in the eighties and everything internal fell off including door to cockpit, but landed safely. If you like excitement travel on them.
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Prop found ...
Et soudain l?avion perd une pale d?hélice - 26/10/2013 - leParisien.fr
Le Mesnil-Amelot (Seine-et-Marne) yesterday. The plane had just taken off when the accident occurred. The first blade was found in an orchard 2 km of the track, while the other part of the engine and were recovered in a cornfield near the detention center
Et soudain l?avion perd une pale d?hélice - 26/10/2013 - leParisien.fr
Le Mesnil-Amelot (Seine-et-Marne) yesterday. The plane had just taken off when the accident occurred. The first blade was found in an orchard 2 km of the track, while the other part of the engine and were recovered in a cornfield near the detention center
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water methanol never seemed to be carried in Europe and in the UK
I never liked the Fokker F27. Everything that possibly could break/fail did,
electrics and pneumatics were crap.
electrics and pneumatics were crap.
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Air UK used to put water methanol in the F27s at STN...
The only time we ever armed W/M on approach was if we would have been WAT limited on a missed approach but since our max landing weight was 40,000 lbs that would have been a rare occurrence. Mind you, this was the Fairchild built machine with RDa529 engines and not the Fokker aircraft.
Agreed. We operated at temperatures that sometimes dipped below -40 on the ground and the airplane always served us in good stead. Nordair ran the lateral DEW Line resupply out of Frobisher Bay with the Fairchild 227 for years, with the airplane never seeing the inside of a hangar for two weeks at a time. As for the RR Dart, the only thing it had trouble digesting was a tungsten steel shroud nut. 
Treat the old girl properly and she'd take you through anything.
Aahh Pigboat, vital difference between the F227 and the Fokker F27 was the hydraulics vs the pneumatic system especially where you were operating. The pneumatics did not like cold weather! Nor did it heat up very well up front, sometimes sitting with blankets up front in the Arctic!
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Well apologies if I am incorrect but I actually thought the Fairchilds had a hydraulic system for these. Never flew them, but we used the US Airways Fairchild simulator in Pittsburgh. Very different to say the least, but it has been 28 years since I left that thing.
Some Fairchilds had hydraulic nose wheel steering, there was a little reservoir attached to the steering unit. That may have been the case with the 227, I never flew them. The handful of F-27's I did fly all had the Kidde pneumatic system. The three 227's Nordair operated went to Malmo Aviation.
We also used USAir in PIT. If that Howard Johnson's motel across from the old terminal could talk I'm sure it would have some interesting tales.
We also used USAir in PIT. If that Howard Johnson's motel across from the old terminal could talk I'm sure it would have some interesting tales.
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Treat the old girl properly and she'd take you through anything.
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It would seem that a blade came off, followed by the remainder of the whole assembly. Is that a valid conclusion?
If so, was the separation of the remaining assembly the result of the blade coming off, and nothing else, or was there a single cause for the whole incident?
The F27s I knew (400/600s) were roundly abused on demanding rough field operations, short sectors, high temperatures and humidity, and rarely let us down.
I suspect that recovering from the loss of a blade through the cabin followed by the loss of the remainder of the prop and part of the engine, and then making a successful approach and landing, was a quite challenging piece of flying that may not have been practised in a SIM, but was the outcome of years of experience and the skills acquired in that way.
If so, was the separation of the remaining assembly the result of the blade coming off, and nothing else, or was there a single cause for the whole incident?
The F27s I knew (400/600s) were roundly abused on demanding rough field operations, short sectors, high temperatures and humidity, and rarely let us down.
I suspect that recovering from the loss of a blade through the cabin followed by the loss of the remainder of the prop and part of the engine, and then making a successful approach and landing, was a quite challenging piece of flying that may not have been practised in a SIM, but was the outcome of years of experience and the skills acquired in that way.
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Interesting to see what else came off with the prop, photograph seems to show the gearbox and other mangled bits, three blades visable.
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