Dutch TV reports on 'Ryanair pilots denominated alarm over safety'
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However, I'd prefer to walk than fly Ryanair. I don't like MOL and what he stands for. So I do what MOL does and that is, not fly RYR but instead go with another carrier.
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Dutch Secretary of State for Infrastructure and Environment writes to the Members of Parliament she does not see any reason to investigate the Ryanair fuel or safety policy.
https://zoek.officielebekendmakingen...31936-129.html
The letter of the IAA Irish Aviation Authority in response to questions of the Dutch Secretary of State can be read here.
The letter says for instance
read more:
https://zoek.officielebekendmakingen.nl/blg-204355.pdf
https://zoek.officielebekendmakingen...31936-129.html
The letter of the IAA Irish Aviation Authority in response to questions of the Dutch Secretary of State can be read here.
The letter says for instance
The lAA operates a Mandatory Oeeurrence Reporting (MOR) system and a Confidential Reporting system and, as far as we can establish from our data, there are na previous MAYDAY ealls as a result of fuel shortage other than the ones referred to at Valencia, Ryanair's fuel policy is fully compliant with EU OPS
https://zoek.officielebekendmakingen.nl/blg-204355.pdf
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David, with Michael O'Leary passenger numbers are constantly increasing, and at this point in time it might just be suiting Ryanair to have such a passenger uplift control mechanism in place rather than have him step down 
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It would seem RYR think nothing of tagging on a € here and a € there. 2€/pax for calamities cover e.g. volcanos etc. That's €150m per year for nothing. And that's only 1 extra charge squirrelled in under the radar. No pay rise for the crews in 5 years and the new contracts are on lower rates than before. Yet it would take only 0.70c per pax to give the crews a 20% pay rise. That would only recover them to inflation over the past 7 years, which they have never received. Another €1.00/pax would establish a decent company contribution to a pension fund. Those 2 items are considered unworthy of the worlds favourite airline and largest in Europe. Yet the cost is less than the volcano tax. Makes you wonder where the priorities are?
He shouldn't be on a TV show engaging in 'bar room brawl' type boorish debates about RYR's safety record or the recent spate 'near death' incidents that have occured,
As for "near death" incidents. Could you please outline where people were close to death.
Interesting choice of words at the end of the first paragraph here where they describe the 8% increase in fares as an "improvement" 
Why would an airline that portrays itself as 'the low fares airline' describe an increase in its own fares as an improvement?
Why would an airline that portrays itself as 'the low fares airline' describe an increase in its own fares as an improvement?
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Passenger numbers may have increased by 3% but the load factor remained flat at 84%. Average fares INCREASED by 8% and ancillary revenue INCREASED by 24%.
"Weez squeezd un extra ate percent outa da buggas for der fairs un weez reelly hammerd dem on duz extras loik. Bejessus, wezz reely screwin deez feckers und de still keep cuumin! Moik, day must be reeelly stoopid!"
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Passenger numbers may have increased by 3%. May. Not the month since the first one would be a cap so it needs to be the other may.
Are FR saying they are not sure if, what is it now 2,5 million people boarded their airplanes or not?
Are FR saying they are not sure if, what is it now 2,5 million people boarded their airplanes or not?
To many people Michael O'Leary 'IS' Ryanair, and how he comes across in the media has a direct effect on how these people view the company, there are many people who refuse to fly RYR simply because of the loathing they have for this man and his attitude to his customers (and staff).
The airline's shareholders are probably happy, but at the expense of whom?
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Davy Gravy - your comments seem ridiculous.
First - there have been no near death incidents whatsoever.
Second - Ryanair is a business. Every business will seek to increase its revenue and an increase in fares IS an improvement from a business perspective as long as customers continue to support the airline - and around 79 million in the last year have.
Third - low fares are relative. They still remain lower on average than other carriers.
Your apparent lack of business knowledge is forgiveable but scaremongering about near death incidents is ridiculous.
By the way, I am a contractor at Ryanair and have had a pay rise in the last year when signing a new contract. Once again you're wide of the mark. The amount I earn is perfectly acceptable to me and allows me plenty of opportunity to put money into a private pension.
First - there have been no near death incidents whatsoever.
Second - Ryanair is a business. Every business will seek to increase its revenue and an increase in fares IS an improvement from a business perspective as long as customers continue to support the airline - and around 79 million in the last year have.
Third - low fares are relative. They still remain lower on average than other carriers.
Your apparent lack of business knowledge is forgiveable but scaremongering about near death incidents is ridiculous.
By the way, I am a contractor at Ryanair and have had a pay rise in the last year when signing a new contract. Once again you're wide of the mark. The amount I earn is perfectly acceptable to me and allows me plenty of opportunity to put money into a private pension.
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David G, I work with statistics and numbers all the time. From what you write I get the distinct impression that your risk perception is out of kilter. A book by David Ropeik & George Gray called 'Risk' may help you. It is a practical guide for deciding what's really safe and what's really dangerous in the world around you.
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Davy - I am in agreement with Sober Lark. You don't seem to understand the incidents.
The incidents you mention - were they incidents? Yes. Were they 'near death' incidents? Absolutely not.
Do other airlines have their fair share of incidents? Yes they do. Ryanair, being the largest operator in Europe and operating around 1600 flights a day over the summer season, of course, statistically will have more incidents than smaller carriers - just like BA will lose more bags at Heathrow than any other carrier, simply because they are the biggest carrier there.
I am not a supporter of MOL or they way he treats staff or suppliers and the way some customers are treated - but as a Captain I will defend the company's excellent record when ludicrous comments about near death incidents are exaggerated out of all proportion.
The incidents you mention - were they incidents? Yes. Were they 'near death' incidents? Absolutely not.
Do other airlines have their fair share of incidents? Yes they do. Ryanair, being the largest operator in Europe and operating around 1600 flights a day over the summer season, of course, statistically will have more incidents than smaller carriers - just like BA will lose more bags at Heathrow than any other carrier, simply because they are the biggest carrier there.
I am not a supporter of MOL or they way he treats staff or suppliers and the way some customers are treated - but as a Captain I will defend the company's excellent record when ludicrous comments about near death incidents are exaggerated out of all proportion.
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By the way, I am a contractor at Ryanair and have had a pay rise in the last year when signing a new contract. Once again you're wide of the mark. The amount I earn is perfectly acceptable to me and allows me plenty of opportunity to put money into a private pension.
It is almost impossible to understand the true implications of some of the clauses without being a taxation or legal expert and without spending countless hours to find out what each clause actually means.
I would say you are a minority thinking like that skyflyer737, i work for the same company.
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I see where you're coming from Zipster but I'm UK based, pay UK corporation tax and UK income tax and my take home pay on an annual basis has risen since I signed the new contract. I may be in the minority but that's simply the way it has worked out for me. I personally haven't found the contract a problem
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That would mean you are the exception to the rule more or less, but good for you personally skyflyer. So many different circumstances for a large company so good seeing it works out for some.
Lots of people though having contracts of employment especially in Italy at the moment are facing very different circumstances where there is a real possibility they could owe social tax they had no reason to believe they were not compliant with in the first place. Contractors are possibly next, other countries to follow suit most likely. There is another thread about this so i wont go into more detail of that situation.
So back to the KRO show for a second, from my understanding after watching both episodes the core issue was not the fuel emergencies, but instead the core issue was the way Ryanair conducts its business and the corporate culture in place leading to a overall degradation of flight safety. With fuel emergencies being one result of that culture. The social tax situation and the weak contracts being offered is another example (since the two are closely related) of this culture which brings us back to the situation in Italy once again.
In Italy there are pilots and cabincrew flying aircraft as we speak that has just found out he or she owes social tax backdated all the way from 2006 when they have just following what was setout in their respective contracts. This is clearly disgraceful for anyone with some common sense. So we now see that the constant cost cutting has now backfired so badly staff are now in the firing line unknowingly they were not compliant in the first place and will take the hit personally. I´ll let anyone decide for themselves what this could mean towards flight safety but this could be one thing to add and possibly clarify what these guys in the show mean also.
Ryanair constantly says safety is on par with the best in Europe, using fatalities or hull losses as the metric for that statement then this is possibly true.
But lets face it flight safety is not all about fatalities or hull losses, flight safety is also about taking care of the people working for you in sensitive roles such as flight and cabin crew and ensure you don´t put them in situations where you basically screw them over potentially just to get an edge over the competition.
Lots of people though having contracts of employment especially in Italy at the moment are facing very different circumstances where there is a real possibility they could owe social tax they had no reason to believe they were not compliant with in the first place. Contractors are possibly next, other countries to follow suit most likely. There is another thread about this so i wont go into more detail of that situation.
So back to the KRO show for a second, from my understanding after watching both episodes the core issue was not the fuel emergencies, but instead the core issue was the way Ryanair conducts its business and the corporate culture in place leading to a overall degradation of flight safety. With fuel emergencies being one result of that culture. The social tax situation and the weak contracts being offered is another example (since the two are closely related) of this culture which brings us back to the situation in Italy once again.
In Italy there are pilots and cabincrew flying aircraft as we speak that has just found out he or she owes social tax backdated all the way from 2006 when they have just following what was setout in their respective contracts. This is clearly disgraceful for anyone with some common sense. So we now see that the constant cost cutting has now backfired so badly staff are now in the firing line unknowingly they were not compliant in the first place and will take the hit personally. I´ll let anyone decide for themselves what this could mean towards flight safety but this could be one thing to add and possibly clarify what these guys in the show mean also.
Ryanair constantly says safety is on par with the best in Europe, using fatalities or hull losses as the metric for that statement then this is possibly true.
But lets face it flight safety is not all about fatalities or hull losses, flight safety is also about taking care of the people working for you in sensitive roles such as flight and cabin crew and ensure you don´t put them in situations where you basically screw them over potentially just to get an edge over the competition.
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Zipster - I couldn't agree more with you on all accounts. I'm just lucky my contract works for me (at the moment, but things can change)
Good to be back on topic with regards to the TV programme too. Wise words Zipster and well put.
Good to be back on topic with regards to the TV programme too. Wise words Zipster and well put.
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