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Old 21st Dec 2012, 04:14   #1 (permalink)
 
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A330 AIR BERLIN INCIDENT IN HKT

At HKT Airport on 20-Dec-12, ~2130LT, Air Berlin A330 Departure from HKT, then request air turn back for Emergency landing cause Engine 1 fire!.

A/C made a hard landing and 3 of main wheels burst. AOT declare Runway closure due to unable to move a/c off the runway.
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Old 21st Dec 2012, 04:55   #2 (permalink)
 
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I wonder if they did an overweight landing. I was told that on my craft, the autopilot is not approved for overweight landings. Is this pretty much standard among airliners.
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Old 21st Dec 2012, 05:00   #3 (permalink)
 
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Refer to QRH- airbus mention from memory non certified but you can do an o/weight Ldg upto 227t?
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Old 21st Dec 2012, 05:01   #4 (permalink)
 
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I'm not sure what the autopilot approval has to do with this.

last I checked pilots were trained to manually fly aircraft, or have the standards dropped so low that the a/p has to be used for everything.
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Old 21st Dec 2012, 06:06   #5 (permalink)
 
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Bit difficult to do an autoland RWY 27 when the localiser is offset by about 2 degrees from the runway course
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Old 21st Dec 2012, 06:22   #6 (permalink)
 
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" Last I checked pilots were trained to manually fly aircraft, or have the standards dropped so low that the a/p has to be used for everything. "

Unfortunately, Gtseraf, seems they have in many cases. Check the thread on the temorary loss of control because the captain didn't have an operable FD.....
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Old 21st Dec 2012, 06:24   #7 (permalink)
 
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Bit difficult to do an autoland RWY 27 when the localiser is offset by about 2 degrees from the runway course
...and is CAT I only...
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Old 21st Dec 2012, 06:25   #8 (permalink)
 
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You can do an overweight landing on the autopilot but one of the items mentioned in the QRH is that the rate of descend on touch down can not exceed 360 ft/min.
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Old 21st Dec 2012, 07:22   #9 (permalink)
 
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Our QRH A-333 says in the chapter "overweight landing":

"An overweight landing is authorized up to MTOW.
Automatic landing is certified up to Maximum Landing Weight (MLW). Autoland flight tests have, however, been successful up to 229 tons.
Depending on the situation (e.g. emergency or other) and provided that the runway is approved for automatic landing, the flight crew can decide to perform a autoland up to 229 tons."

In my opinion you have to have a good reason to conduct a AL with overweight - i think it wouldn't be good airmanship to try it on a CAT I ILS with an offset LOC...
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Old 21st Dec 2012, 07:38   #10 (permalink)
 
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there is no reason at all to do an autoland anyway
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Old 21st Dec 2012, 07:48   #11 (permalink)
 
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...fog... ?
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Old 21st Dec 2012, 08:38   #12 (permalink)
 
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Was it foggy?
Did they do an auto land?
We're they overweight?
Have I missed something?
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Old 21st Dec 2012, 08:43   #13 (permalink)
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How CAN we have a thread without the 'METAR Poster'?
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Old 21st Dec 2012, 08:50   #14 (permalink)
 
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Can I run for the position of 'AvHerald poster' instead?

Incident: Air Berlin A332 at Phuket on Dec 20th 2012, engine fire

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Old 21st Dec 2012, 08:54   #15 (permalink)
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You got it T&C are crap.mind you, but STILL no actual
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Old 21st Dec 2012, 10:58   #16 (permalink)
 
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HKT 09 has RNAV, VOR or visual approach. 27 has RNAV, offset ILS, VOR or visual approach. Ergo auto land not possible.
Please, no more mention of auto land.
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Old 21st Dec 2012, 11:48   #17 (permalink)
 
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Tyres normally burst due to excess energy (heat) being applied to the brakes during deceleration after landing. Not purely by any overweight issues. A wind report (available to the investigation team) will assist in explaining any decelaration 'issues'. It may also give an indication as to why the crew took off from 27, and landed on 09. As the pax did not evacuate on the runway (but are reported to have used mobile stairs) an unextinguishable fire, requiring immediate landing, looks unlikely?

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Old 21st Dec 2012, 16:36   #18 (permalink)
 
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Dear God; why would anyone in their right mind even attempt to do an autoland in these circumstances?
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Old 21st Dec 2012, 18:24   #19 (permalink)
 
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Dear God; why would anyone in their right mind even attempt to do an autoland in these circumstances?
They didn't, so it's irrelevant!
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Old 21st Dec 2012, 22:13   #20 (permalink)
 
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An Autoland? TEST PILOTS!

Quite amazing how many of the above post so knowledgeably and completely ignore the fact that they don't even know if it was foggy and that they can't auto land at HKT anyway..
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