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Old 25th Dec 2012, 20:47   #41 (permalink)
 
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Think I'd be losing brown hydraulics!!!!

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Old 25th Dec 2012, 20:56   #42 (permalink)
 
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Caballero,

Unlike the A-320, 0n the A-330 you don't go to direct law once you put the landing gear down in alternate law .
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Old 26th Dec 2012, 00:05   #43 (permalink)
 
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Not that it really matters but on the 330 if you lose an engine it only effects one hyd sys. The green system has two engine driven pumps so remains pressurised and the a/c stays in normal law and can do a cat 3A. Your talking about the 320 and even then you don't get a double system failure as the ptu keeps at least two systems running and therefore in normal law. Can also auto land but I think it's CAT 2, haven't flown it in ages.
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Old 27th Dec 2012, 20:15   #44 (permalink)
 
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attention getter...

Im still wondering why this very serious incident attracts so less attention as were talking about a double hyd fail, engine fail and supposedly an engine fire (not to mention all the associated secondary failures).

The incident has been dealt with by two former LTU-330-drivers, which makes the incident interesting as well.

Im not sure if nowadays drivers would have been able to save the day with this redicoulus safety standard established by the LCCs.
And Im not just talking about 2x2 vs. 4x4 hours Sim per year...


(For the younger colleagues: LTU was activ in the heydays of aviation and the company was well known for an excellent training standard provided towards cockpit AND cabin.)
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Old 29th Dec 2012, 11:57   #45 (permalink)
 
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At the airline I worked for we had PILOTS on flight deck, as far as I know those braving the elements there today are still called PILOTS.
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Old 30th Dec 2012, 16:44   #46 (permalink)
 
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Indeed loc,
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Caballero,

Unlike the A-320, 0n the A-330 you don't go to direct law once you put the landing gear down in alternate law .
one of the disadvantages of Mixed Fleet Flying. You sometimes mix things up.

The A330 stays in Alternate law. One problem less.
Thanks for straightening this out.

Cabus, you are right in General but not in this case. I reconfirm. An engine failure ( uncontained ) with loss of green system on top. Meaning; one engine out and blue + green hyd inop. Just take this as a fact please. Do not see it as a standard Airbus failure. The reality is often different as in a standard sim session.

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Old 30th Dec 2012, 18:37   #47 (permalink)


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engine failure

the engine failure cause may be found here
Federal Register, Volume 77 Issue 42 (Friday, March 2, 2012)
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Old 31st Dec 2012, 07:03   #48 (permalink)
 
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Indeed. A failure of the LPT.
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Old 16th Mar 2013, 08:02   #49 (permalink)


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German BFU Report

Incident: Air Berlin A332 at Phuket on Dec 20th 2012, uncontained engine failure and fire
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Old 16th Mar 2013, 14:54   #50 (permalink)


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Investigation Report German BFU

The current report can be found here :

Incident: Air Berlin A332 at Phuket on Dec 20th 2012, uncontained engine failure and fire
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Old 16th Mar 2013, 21:36   #51 (permalink)
 
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...the intermediate report is out now:
Incident: Air Berlin A332 at Phuket on Dec 20th 2012, uncontained engine failure and fire

one more interesting detail, the captain accumulated some 7.000 hours as f/e til 1986 or so.
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