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Old 11th Dec 2012, 18:33   #81 (permalink)
 
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Mood Enhancer

this discusion needs a bit of levity..
We know that R air is reponsible for all flight evil because we also know overweight people blame their spoons..

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Old 11th Dec 2012, 21:00   #82 (permalink)
 
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A weakness in the path he is taking is he is not making any friends.
Among whom ?
The media ?
The same media who 3 months ago still thought Sir Jimmy Saville was a hero......

Not making friends in the populist media is not a bad idea as then you never have to worry about the knives.

Funny how the professional Airline transportation media have a different viewpoint.........then again red top media don't like them as they are plane spotters.
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Old 12th Dec 2012, 00:08   #83 (permalink)
 
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Sadly cockney steve is not correct with his analysis, beginning with the idea that Ryanair is regulated in the UK. Ryanair's legal team remind me of the days of Robert Maxwell (former owner of the Daily Mirror) who went berserk at any hint of personal criticism of him or his staff. People all around decided to bury their heads in the sand rather than deal with the in-your-face approach of the man himself. The essence of the Ryanair argument is that they have an 'impeccable safety record'. No airline can claim that, and Ryanair is no exception. They want to be considered in the top tier of airlines, but that is simply never going to happen as long as they continue as they do. You can only threaten the Aviation Herald and PPRuNe for so long and get the moderators to send threatening PMs to contributors. There comes a time when the substance of their complaints will be tested, and that day seems to be approaching very rapidly.
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Old 12th Dec 2012, 06:38   #84 (permalink)
 
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"that day seems to be approaching very rapidly"

..and if it was approaching very rapidly do you really believe any insurer would take on the risk? It is the probability of the event NOT happening that we concentrate on.

Sound judgement and rationality required.
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Old 12th Dec 2012, 18:03   #85 (permalink)
 
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You can only threaten the Aviation Herald and PPRuNe for so long and get the moderators to send threatening PMs to contributors. There comes a time when the substance of their complaints will be tested, and that day seems to be approaching very rapidly.
Any business has a right to protect its name from malicious comment, slander and innuendo being written on it.
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Old 13th Dec 2012, 07:17   #86 (permalink)
 
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So, what you are saying is that the public at large and potential clients should not be aware of what is going on? If what's in these Media is true of course, but if it is not true, it is for them to argue and prove the contrary... not suppress the argument by not allowing it. May be Pilots Unions should not take them (Ryanair) to Courts either all over Europe (by the way, any news about the Aix-en-Provence results that were supposed to be out by the end of the year 2012?)

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Old 13th Dec 2012, 08:24   #87 (permalink)
 
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but if it is not true, it is for them to argue and prove the contrary
Hillarious.
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Old 13th Dec 2012, 09:26   #88 (permalink)
 
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Well, so far I have not seen or heard anyone argue their case with their version of facts we are discussing here... Les absents ont TOUJOURS tort... May be they have never heard of PPRuNe or the AVHerald... You may find it hilarious but a company saving millions on the back of european tax payers or social security contributors in my opinion is not playing a fair game. It is easy to offer low cost travel when you do not have to pay the right price for your employees and easy to gain market shares against a competition that has to comply to local laws... Ask people what they think of Starbuck, Google, Microsoft, Dell and the rest not paying taxes in the countries they are trading in!!!!!!!
Anyway, watch this space, you might have a surprise soon...

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Old 13th Dec 2012, 09:57   #89 (permalink)
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alicopter - criss's 'Hilarious' is, I think, to remind you of this

"In the UK, if someone thinks that what you wrote about them is either defamatory or damaging, the onus will be entirely on you to prove that your comments are true in court. In other words, if you make the claim, you've got to prove it."

which is the opposite of what you seem to think. Perhaps you need to read up on 'Libel'?
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Old 13th Dec 2012, 20:31   #90 (permalink)
 
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BOAC, exactly. It seems many ppl here think that if I say someone is an idiot, then it is on that person to prove otherwise... That's not how burden of proof works.
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Old 13th Dec 2012, 21:54   #91 (permalink)
 
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My understanding is that there is no real issue with what Simon posted but rather with parts of the comments by some individuals in the attached blog.

I don't post on Simon's blog because it is not really a blog but more an information website. If I want to post on an aviation blog I will do it here.

The question is whether if he stopped the reply channel we would still read his postings. I definitely would.
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Old 14th Dec 2012, 17:14   #92 (permalink)
 
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TwoOneFour

How is X and Y working out for you?
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Old 18th Dec 2012, 12:36   #93 (permalink)
 
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interesting BBC panorama program last night about the Barclay Brothers (who own the Telegraph, the paper that exposed the MP expenses scandal) and their
indignation over press intrusion, defamation and indignation over it all..
BBC One - Panorama, The Tax Haven Twins
worth watching


they who dish out the dirt (or news, as it happens, which is of public interest) should be fully prepared (just like FR's MOL) to take some back...
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