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The issue is as of today only simmering in "informed" circles. Still I have the strong feeling that there is a stormfront lingering already behind the horizon.
Surely you can express an opinion in public so long as, in my opinion, you have stated that it is an opinion?
It's when you stray into stating that something is a fact when it isn't that you may be opening yourself up for the legal consequences.
It's when you stray into stating that something is a fact when it isn't that you may be opening yourself up for the legal consequences.
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PPRUNE vs AVHerald
Having spent a bemused and somewhat vexing half-hour perusing the AVHerald thread on this topic, coming here is a breath of fresh - and rational - air.
If the difference between the two can be attributed to 'open season' versus 'moderated' environments, then give me moderated every day of the week..
If the difference between the two can be attributed to 'open season' versus 'moderated' environments, then give me moderated every day of the week..
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But how can people's opinions written in the web be subject to any liability?
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looks like their legal eagle is flying high...Sunday Times sued by Ryanair over safety story | PressGazette
Indeed, you can have an opinion, as can we all. It's when you voice your opinion or put it into writing that it becomes public. Be of no doubt - as soon as you write anything on the internet, it becomes public property. PPRuNe is not a private forum, it is a forum to which anyone can sign up to, as indeed are any number of other social and professional forums. Be very careful what you write - it might come back to bite you!
Sadly some people are only starting to realise that they are responsible for what they post on the internet.
I like AvHerald but there is no modding or control over what is posted. Sadly it has become a place infested with Trolls where no control is being exercised.
It is quite likely that they will now have to have some control over what is being posted with inappropriate comments being removed.
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looks like their legal eagle is flying high...Sunday Times sued by Ryanair over safety story | PressGazette
The Sunday Times IS BEING SUED by Ryanair would be a lot more accurate. I have just asked 10 people and all 10 of them take that to mean that the Sunday Times has been successfully sued by Ryanair.
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It appears the money they saved on expensive advertising with these newspapers can now be used to sue them for damages.
Judging by the amount these easy targets pay out these days in liable cases they will probably view this move as a good ROI.
Judging by the amount these easy targets pay out these days in liable cases they will probably view this move as a good ROI.
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The Sunday Times IS BEING SUED by Ryanair would be a lot more accurate. I have just asked 10 people and all 10 of them take that to mean that the Sunday Times has been successfully sued by Ryanair.
"Sunday Times sued by Ryanair" and "Sunday Times successfully sued by Ryanair" aren't the same thing at all.
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If most of you are really professional pilota then one has to wonder while boarding an a/c, as many sound like 10y olds. You seem to believe you can say "this airline is an accident waiting to happen because their culture is inherently unsafe, and no one can do anything about what I day, because I'm free to state whatever opiniom". This is plain stupid. Gęś, you can say whatever you want, but take responsibility for what you say.
In the other thread about memmingen incident no one is really arguing that the approach went wronf, but the problem starts when people begin a chorus "this is due to their culture", while everything about their operations proves otherwise. It's laughable, and no surprise rury want to take measures against it.
In the other thread about memmingen incident no one is really arguing that the approach went wronf, but the problem starts when people begin a chorus "this is due to their culture", while everything about their operations proves otherwise. It's laughable, and no surprise rury want to take measures against it.
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Oh dear, looks like MOL is going to have to sue the Daily Mail too, their litigators are going to be awfully busy...
Ryanair plane carrying 141 passengers from Manchester nearly crashed over Germany after pilots tried new manoeuvre to make up lost time
Ryanair plane carrying 141 passengers from Manchester nearly crashed over Germany after pilots tried new manoeuvre to make up lost time
Oh dear, looks like MOL is going to have to sue the Daily Mail too, their litigators are going to be awfully busy...
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Indeed. Here are some choice comments from Daily Mail readers:
I'm not a lawyer, but I'd always understood that defamation cases could only work if the plaintiff had a reputation to lose in the first place. Comments such as the above rather suggest that Ryanair doesn't, which is presumbly helpful for the media in future?
Ryanair is a disaster waiting to happen
- VirtualMaiden, Southport, United Kingdom, 10/12/2012 17:26
They are an accident looking to happen
- jonb, Leicester, 10/12/2012 17:10
Best be well insured when taking a Ryaniar flight
- Frenchiegirl, Paris. France, 10/12/2012 16:48
This cowboy company is going to have a serious accident one day and many lives will be lost, just to save pennies.
- sar02, wolverhampton, United Kingdom, 10/12/2012 16:34
Look! Just take a look at O'Leary, and ask yourself, 'Do I really trust this man with my LIFE!!!?
- Budgie, Blyth, 10/12/2012 16:10
- VirtualMaiden, Southport, United Kingdom, 10/12/2012 17:26
They are an accident looking to happen
- jonb, Leicester, 10/12/2012 17:10
Best be well insured when taking a Ryaniar flight
- Frenchiegirl, Paris. France, 10/12/2012 16:48
This cowboy company is going to have a serious accident one day and many lives will be lost, just to save pennies.
- sar02, wolverhampton, United Kingdom, 10/12/2012 16:34
Look! Just take a look at O'Leary, and ask yourself, 'Do I really trust this man with my LIFE!!!?
- Budgie, Blyth, 10/12/2012 16:10
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I am not a RYR fan because of their product and even perhaps more so because of their CEO's general attitude. I have never however considered them unsafe. They will have incidents just like any other carrier including the big boys. I believe that the major reason anything involving RYR is immediately targeted by a significant percentage of the public and the media is MOL himself. If they don't let him go (soon) and change their image he could eventually bring the airline down.
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@HT Don't think so...
BBC News - Ryanair profits jump on traffic and fare rises
You're confusing the travelling masses with someone who gives a damn!
BBC News - Ryanair profits jump on traffic and fare rises
You're confusing the travelling masses with someone who gives a damn!
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I don't think he will 'bring it down;' but dent it he certainly will and that will hurt. As I said on t'other thread, the damage he and his legal eagles are inflicting by focussing the world on this event is inestimable. Instead of saying - dreadful mis-handling, duff crew, have been disciplined, well below the high standards we set, etc etc they wallow in fighting the obvious.
What happened to King Canute?
EDIT: WP - 'old news' - that reporting period had not seen the madness of King Michael. Now that he and his team have actually encouraged the common press to take note, I think we will see a difference.
What happened to King Canute?
EDIT: WP - 'old news' - that reporting period had not seen the madness of King Michael. Now that he and his team have actually encouraged the common press to take note, I think we will see a difference.
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