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Old 7th Dec 2012, 15:34   #41 (permalink)
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I assume that I am member of a private club. And so, the opinions that I write here, and those that I read, are of a private nature
- No! As deptrai says, this is a publicly accessible site. people do not need to register to read posts.

Thus your utterances are effectively 'public'.
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Old 7th Dec 2012, 15:39   #42 (permalink)
 
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Putting anything online is more certain than a letter and can be kept in cyber space for a darn sight longer!
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Old 7th Dec 2012, 15:49   #43 (permalink)
 
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I am a PPRuNe member, because I have a password and account, right?

When I post here, I assume that I am member of a private club. And so, the opinions that I write here, and those that I read, are of a private nature, like those said and heard in the pub.

Absolutely no one has the right to do anything legal against those opinions, or the website. In the pub, in the club, in the forum I am a member of, I can say what ever I want. Only the other members of the club can censor me, or just put me out of it.

However law is not always right and it goes against rights, often. Remember that middle east airline we cannot mention.

The Avherald however has no membership. But how can people's opinions written in the web be subject to any liability? they are opinions. I can have any opinion and nobody can do anything about it.
Have your read the latest sticky found on every single board across PPRuNe Notice regarding post responsibility and anonymity? Especially in regard to what was mentioned there, I'd be careful with what I write on any internet forum.
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Old 7th Dec 2012, 16:02   #44 (permalink)
 
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Does highbrow Aviation Herald really need a lowbrow section which permits comments?
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Old 7th Dec 2012, 18:05   #45 (permalink)
 
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I suggest we all make a small donation the AH as a show of support. I did.
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Old 7th Dec 2012, 18:32   #46 (permalink)
 
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I suggest we all make a small donation the AH as a show of support. I did.
Zebedie - agree and have done so
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Old 7th Dec 2012, 19:21   #47 (permalink)
 
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There are other well-known websites writing about aviation investigations, including the same one involving Ryanair. This one is Aero.de but there are others:

aero.de - Luftfahrt-Nachrichten und -Community


If Aero.de, and other sites carrying the same BFU report, haven't received a similar 'cease and desist' letter then it's worth asking why not, especially if you're pushing a theory of gagging.
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Old 7th Dec 2012, 19:51   #48 (permalink)
 
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I can have any opinion and nobody can do anything about it.
Indeed, you can have an opinion, as can we all. It's when you voice your opinion or put it into writing that it becomes public. Be of no doubt - as soon as you write anything on the internet, it becomes public property. PPRuNe is not a private forum, it is a forum to which anyone can sign up to, as indeed are any number of other social and professional forums. Be very careful what you write - it might come back to bite you!
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Old 7th Dec 2012, 20:07   #49 (permalink)
 
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The issue is as of today only simmering in "informed" circles. Still I have the strong feeling that there is a stormfront lingering already behind the horizon.
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Old 7th Dec 2012, 20:08   #50 (permalink)
 
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Surely you can express an opinion in public so long as, in my opinion, you have stated that it is an opinion?

It's when you stray into stating that something is a fact when it isn't that you may be opening yourself up for the legal consequences.

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Old 7th Dec 2012, 21:25   #51 (permalink)
 
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You have to be careful that you're not simply trying to disguise something libellous as an opinion. Starting your sentence with "I think..." isn't a magic bullet, any more than adding the word "allegedly" lets you off the hook.
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Old 7th Dec 2012, 21:35   #52 (permalink)
 
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PPRUNE vs AVHerald

Having spent a bemused and somewhat vexing half-hour perusing the AVHerald thread on this topic, coming here is a breath of fresh - and rational - air.

If the difference between the two can be attributed to 'open season' versus 'moderated' environments, then give me moderated every day of the week..

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Old 7th Dec 2012, 23:32   #53 (permalink)
 
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But how can people's opinions written in the web be subject to any liability?
If you go around telling tell the world that in your opinion Fred down the road is a wife beater you best be sure you can prove it. Its not hard to find people who have gone to court and won damages for defamation. Doesn't matter if you do it online, down the pub or in the newspaper. Best think carefully about that hotel review you are about to post online. Can you prove the room was dirty? You might need to do so in court.
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Old 8th Dec 2012, 01:32   #54 (permalink)
 
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BBC using anonymous sites for quotes?

Yes they do. Not this one but one I use regularly has had some honourable mentions.
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Old 8th Dec 2012, 02:48   #55 (permalink)
 
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looks like their legal eagle is flying high...Sunday Times sued by Ryanair over safety story | PressGazette
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Old 8th Dec 2012, 09:48   #56 (permalink)
 
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Indeed, you can have an opinion, as can we all. It's when you voice your opinion or put it into writing that it becomes public. Be of no doubt - as soon as you write anything on the internet, it becomes public property. PPRuNe is not a private forum, it is a forum to which anyone can sign up to, as indeed are any number of other social and professional forums. Be very careful what you write - it might come back to bite you!
Good post Sunny John....

Sadly some people are only starting to realise that they are responsible for what they post on the internet.

I like AvHerald but there is no modding or control over what is posted. Sadly it has become a place infested with Trolls where no control is being exercised.

It is quite likely that they will now have to have some control over what is being posted with inappropriate comments being removed.
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Old 8th Dec 2012, 10:30   #57 (permalink)
 
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looks like their legal eagle is flying high...Sunday Times sued by Ryanair over safety story | PressGazette
Even the UK Press Gazette is guilty of misleading headlines.

The Sunday Times IS BEING SUED by Ryanair would be a lot more accurate. I have just asked 10 people and all 10 of them take that to mean that the Sunday Times has been successfully sued by Ryanair.

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Old 8th Dec 2012, 11:45   #58 (permalink)
 
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It appears the money they saved on expensive advertising with these newspapers can now be used to sue them for damages.

Judging by the amount these easy targets pay out these days in liable cases they will probably view this move as a good ROI.

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Old 8th Dec 2012, 12:34   #59 (permalink)
 
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The Sunday Times IS BEING SUED by Ryanair would be a lot more accurate. I have just asked 10 people and all 10 of them take that to mean that the Sunday Times has been successfully sued by Ryanair.
Sue (v. t.) To seek justice or right from, by legal process; to institute process in law against; to bring an action against; to prosecute judicially.

"Sunday Times sued by Ryanair" and "Sunday Times successfully sued by Ryanair" aren't the same thing at all.
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Old 8th Dec 2012, 12:59   #60 (permalink)
 
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If most of you are really professional pilota then one has to wonder while boarding an a/c, as many sound like 10y olds. You seem to believe you can say "this airline is an accident waiting to happen because their culture is inherently unsafe, and no one can do anything about what I day, because I'm free to state whatever opiniom". This is plain stupid. Gęś, you can say whatever you want, but take responsibility for what you say.

In the other thread about memmingen incident no one is really arguing that the approach went wronf, but the problem starts when people begin a chorus "this is due to their culture", while everything about their operations proves otherwise. It's laughable, and no surprise rury want to take measures against it.
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