I am a PPRuNe member, because I have a password and account, right?
When I post here, I assume that I am member of a private club. And so, the opinions that I write here, and those that I read, are of a private nature, like those said and heard in the pub.
Absolutely no one has the right to do anything legal against those opinions, or the website. In the pub, in the club, in the forum I am a member of, I can say what ever I want. Only the other members of the club can censor me, or just put me out of it.
However law is not always right and it goes against rights, often. Remember that middle east airline we cannot mention.
The Avherald however has no membership. But how can people's opinions written in the web be subject to any liability? they are opinions. I can have any opinion and nobody can do anything about it.
Have your read the latest sticky found on every single board across PPRuNe Notice regarding post responsibility and anonymity? Especially in regard to what was mentioned there, I'd be careful with what I write on any internet forum.
There are other well-known websites writing about aviation investigations, including the same one involving Ryanair. This one is Aero.de but there are others:
If Aero.de, and other sites carrying the same BFU report, haven't received a similar 'cease and desist' letter then it's worth asking why not, especially if you're pushing a theory of gagging.
I can have any opinion and nobody can do anything about it.
Indeed, you can have an opinion, as can we all. It's when you voice your opinion or put it into writing that it becomes public. Be of no doubt - as soon as you write anything on the internet, it becomes public property. PPRuNe is not a private forum, it is a forum to which anyone can sign up to, as indeed are any number of other social and professional forums. Be very careful what you write - it might come back to bite you!
The issue is as of today only simmering in "informed" circles. Still I have the strong feeling that there is a stormfront lingering already behind the horizon.
You have to be careful that you're not simply trying to disguise something libellous as an opinion. Starting your sentence with "I think..." isn't a magic bullet, any more than adding the word "allegedly" lets you off the hook.
Having spent a bemused and somewhat vexing half-hour perusing the AVHerald thread on this topic, coming here is a breath of fresh - and rational - air.
If the difference between the two can be attributed to 'open season' versus 'moderated' environments, then give me moderated every day of the week..
But how can people's opinions written in the web be subject to any liability?
If you go around telling tell the world that in your opinion Fred down the road is a wife beater you best be sure you can prove it. Its not hard to find people who have gone to court and won damages for defamation. Doesn't matter if you do it online, down the pub or in the newspaper. Best think carefully about that hotel review you are about to post online. Can you prove the room was dirty? You might need to do so in court.
Indeed, you can have an opinion, as can we all. It's when you voice your opinion or put it into writing that it becomes public. Be of no doubt - as soon as you write anything on the internet, it becomes public property. PPRuNe is not a private forum, it is a forum to which anyone can sign up to, as indeed are any number of other social and professional forums. Be very careful what you write - it might come back to bite you!
Good post Sunny John....
Sadly some people are only starting to realise that they are responsible for what they post on the internet.
I like AvHerald but there is no modding or control over what is posted. Sadly it has become a place infested with Trolls where no control is being exercised.
It is quite likely that they will now have to have some control over what is being posted with inappropriate comments being removed.
looks like their legal eagle is flying high...Sunday Times sued by Ryanair over safety story | PressGazette
Even the UK Press Gazette is guilty of misleading headlines.
The Sunday Times IS BEING SUED by Ryanair would be a lot more accurate. I have just asked 10 people and all 10 of them take that to mean that the Sunday Times has been successfully sued by Ryanair.
The Sunday Times IS BEING SUED by Ryanair would be a lot more accurate. I have just asked 10 people and all 10 of them take that to mean that the Sunday Times has been successfully sued by Ryanair.
Sue (v. t.) To seek justice or right from, by legal process; to institute process in law against; to bring an action against; to prosecute judicially.
"Sunday Times sued by Ryanair" and "Sunday Times successfully sued by Ryanair" aren't the same thing at all.
If most of you are really professional pilota then one has to wonder while boarding an a/c, as many sound like 10y olds. You seem to believe you can say "this airline is an accident waiting to happen because their culture is inherently unsafe, and no one can do anything about what I day, because I'm free to state whatever opiniom". This is plain stupid. Gęś, you can say whatever you want, but take responsibility for what you say.
In the other thread about memmingen incident no one is really arguing that the approach went wronf, but the problem starts when people begin a chorus "this is due to their culture", while everything about their operations proves otherwise. It's laughable, and no surprise rury want to take measures against it.
