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Citation crash in Sao Paulo

Old 12th Nov 2012, 08:53
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Citation crash in Sao Paulo

http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=185_1352686353
Scary...
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Congonhas Airport (CGH)?
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It is actually amazing to see that AC didn't break apart until the very end - on the highway.

I did't expect it to be that solid considering those last 50 meters of ride . Probably this is because its size is relatively small comparing to large and mid sized jets, and probably he has enough strength to withstand such events without being subjected to high loads from the weight that airframe represents.

On the other hand speed wasn't that high to provide (V^2*mass from the energy formula) enough force to destroy the air frame and + she did end up rolling most of its path on undercarriage.

hope pilots are ok.

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Old 12th Nov 2012, 09:29
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Reportedly a CJ3.
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As far as my Portuguese goes I think the reporter said that the 3 occupants were taken to hospital..
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it seems that it was the second jump.... right at the beginning you can see the plane falling off the rwy and then hitting this ramp catapulting it one more time into the sky...

amazing that there are no deaths....

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Imagine seeing that during your morning commute. That last impact had to hurt, I'm surprised the pilots survived. I'm sure they have some serious injury, the plan comes to a complete stop pretty suddenly.

To this day I don't understand why every major airport does not have cameras to cover every angle of a runway. One aimed at each approach, and some covering each section of the runway and overrun. Seems like such a cheap option considering that most accidents happen during TO and LDG.
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Similar to a Citation II (G-JETB) that went off the end at Southampton about 20 years ago and ended up on the M27 motorway.
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Old 12th Nov 2012, 14:26
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Selecton of photos here: FOTOS: avião de pequeno porte sofre acidente em São Paulo - fotos em São Paulo - g1

judging from which it appears to have been landing on 35R at CGH.
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It must still have been going at a good speed at the end of the paved surface to achieve a leap like that!
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looks like (according to photos) those folks got lucky. They crashed a bit short of that massive concrete wall. Result would be even more....complete...
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Was this a landing, or rejected take-off accident ?
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landed (sort of) at the airport at 17h27, coming from Florianópolis (SC).
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Originally Posted by Doors to Automatic
It must still have been going at a good speed at the end of the paved surface to achieve a leap like that!
Well, it looks quite a bit downhill

FOTOS: avião de pequeno porte sofre acidente em São Paulo - fotos em São Paulo - g1
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The caption in one of the photos linked to in DaveReidUK's post says "it was not raining at the moment of the accident," implying that it might have been earlier (contaminated runway?).

It may not have had anything to do with this incident, but it should be acknowledged that Congonhas is a rather cramped facility in the middle of a vast urban jungle. It seems to have had more than its share of prangs, crashes and near-misses over the past few years.

That is some spectacular footage from the CCTV.
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Looks like it must have veered off the runway to the right, because an overrun straight ahead ends up on a big area of tarmac for ground vehicles (per the news photos and google maps). The only place where you could get that close to the Avenida dos Bandeirantes and stay mostly on grass is not on the runway heading.

A substantial tobaggon-ride downhill in either case.

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Cool

Hi,

Tam A320 .. some years ago avoided this small wall .. but not the buildings (TAM office BTW) across the street .....

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Tam A320 .. some years ago avoided this small wall .. but not the buildings (TAM office BTW) across the street .....
Yep, and not that long prior to the TAM crash happened this:





One can only imagine the pucker factor in the pointy end.
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There were 3 onboard and they got injured.

The owner, age 66, was the PIC. There was also a FO, age 21. It happened during the landing.

They landed on the 35R coming from SBFL (Florianópolis).

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Looks like it must have veered off the runway to the right
Not necessarily.

The area beyond 35R falls away to the right, so it's perfectly possible that they either landed long or simply didn't stop in time, for whatever reason, and went off the end of the runway, in which case gravity would have ensured that they then proceeded down the slope towards the highway.

The point where they ended up is approximately S 23 37 10 W 46 39 30. The billboard you can see in the foreground on the video is outside the uniform store on the corner of Bandeirantes and Ismael Gomes (you can see the CCTV camera on Google Streetview).
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