Guys, guys - play nice. You've all forgotten again. It's all about the people - too many bleedin' people. Billions and billions of the blighters, all breeding at just about maximum smoke and no-one - not the greens, not the economists, not the politicians, not the clergy, certainly not the clergy, of any water - none of em', want to breathe a word about there being too many people.
Fix that and you fix AGW - and a lot of other ills too.
Yep. lets all pay this tax,Europe economy is not getting better nor here in the USA. Give the stock market more money on this trading one, what a joke. Just Changed the oil in both Harleys today, the old thinking about putting it where i dont want the grass to grow. like we did years ago and the economy was good and no problems then. Sorry I wont be hugging a tree just to make some rich. But I do save money on roundup grass killer by doing it this way.
the danger is stick35 is that the EUrocrats will, under their hubris, start a trade war between the EU and pretty much the rest of the world, a trade war it simply cannot win and even entering will be far more damaging to not only this industry, but to every single person in the EU, that it will be for anyone else outside the EU. Under the currect EU debt crisis much less than a trade war, but a trade vibration could cause significant problems.
the EU-ETS is stupidity and hubris on a grand scale.
And despite repeated requests to support your hysteria you still cannot provide:
empirical evidence of global warming.
or empirical evidence that it is driven by CO2.
or empirical evidence that it is human driven.
i'll tell you why hetfield, because there is NONE.
So you shriek and get all hysterical, citing even the US actions in Vietnam and Korea as some kind of justification for the EU-ETS.
It really is telling when those who rail against 'big business', 'the 1%' and other conspiro-whacko themes cannot provide any one single piece of evidence to support a huge ponzi scheme of nothing but 'trading paper'.
I know, the US have a problem when it comes to wiki....
With good reason hetfield
The RealClimate.org team consisted of Schmidt, Mike Mann, Eric Steig, William Connolley, Stefan Rahmstorf, Ray Bradley, Amy Clement, Rasmus Benestad and Caspar Ammann.
Solomon revealed that Connolley, one man in the nine-member team who is a U.K. scientist, a software engineer and Green Party activist, took control of Wikipedia’s entries to see that any trace of the true climate history would be erased.
Beginning in February 2003, Connolley rewrote Wikipedia entries on global warming, the greenhouse effect, the instrumental temperature record, the urban heat island, on climate models and on global cooling, according to the report. In February, he began editing the Little Ice Age. By August, he began to rewrite history without the Medieval Warm Period. In October, he turned to the hockey-stick chart.
“He rewrote articles on the politics of global warming and on the scientists who were skeptical of the band,” Solomon explains. “Richard Lindzen and Fred Singer, two of the world’s most distinguished climate scientists, were among his early targets, followed by others that the band especially hated, such as Willie Soon and Sallie Baliunas of the Harvard-Smithsonian Center for Astrophysics, authorities on the Medieval Warm Period.”
Through his role as a Wikipedia administrator, Connolley is said to have created or rewritten 5,428 unique Wikipedia entries.
“When Connolley didn’t like the subject of a certain article, he removed it – more than 500 articles of various descriptions disappeared at his hand,” Solomon wrote. “When he disapproved of the arguments that others were making, he often had them barred – over 2,000 Wikipedia contributors who ran afoul of him found themselves blocked from making further contributions.”