SLFs begin to chime in with their inept theorizing
My observation would be that the professionals need absolutely no help in this regard, based for example on the numerous AF447 threads. You did however forget the PPRuNe invariant, that within two pages any discussion turns into A vs B bashing. Hard to see how that will happen here but I'm sure it will anyway.
SLFs begin to chime in with their inept theorizing
As a long time lurker I won't argue with all your observations on thread arcs; but as an SLF with long-standing interest in aviation accident forensics* I'll chime in anyway.
Could this be a case of running afoul of a mountain rotor while sightseeing, a'la BOAC 911 and Mt. Fuji in the 60's?
Back to lurking....
* As a wee lad I was always fascinated by the forensic details teased out of bent metal and recorders as reported in the AvWeeks that Dad would bring home from his IT (or whatever they called it back then) job with EAL.
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It is already bad enough as it is. The question however is why would someone descend to below mountain elevation to increase the risk of a CFIT? Everything from then on is speculation.
Photographer and others on the flight deck whilst airborn (apparently) on an earlier flight. How would you rate this scene in terms of a distraction that is capable of effecting flight safety..? MobileMe Gallery
Apparently showing a few minor dents on a leading edge. MobileMe Gallery
Perhaps to enhance the experience of the passengers/buyers to make it memorable?
Salak is a striking volcano with twin summits cleft by a large valley with steep slopes and a whitewater river running through it with several waterfalls.
I know someone who flew a G-IV at 300 feet around part of the coast line of Borneo for the VVIP on onboard.
CNN reporting wreckage of plane found near MT.SALAK .......REMOTE AREA of west java.the Indonesian minister made a brief report mentioning the news but no news on survivor or any other details were provided.
Search officail said location is on the edge of a cliff on Mt. Salak near Cijeruk.
Its not that remote, I was around there in February but a landbased SAR party would take several hours to reach it depending on conditions. Airborne SAR could be there in minutes easily
Sergey's blog has retweeted an assertion that the site is at:
06.42.61.3S 106.44.41.2E
Google Earth gives the terrain height at that location as about 6330 feet above sea level. While the summit is several hundred feet higher, this is pretty high up the slope.
[Later edit: to push the rather odd coordinate representation to something Google Earth could accept I substituted spaces for the first two periods, thinking of dd mm ss.s. I failed at to notice that this meant I was asking for 61.3 seconds! Worse, I failed to notice the truncation Google Earth performed. In short, while I accurately transcribed the coordinates as tweeted, including format, my Google Earth-derived estimate of local terrain elevation is almost certainly spurious. ZeeDoktor's suggestion of the intended coordinate seems a better attempt at translation, though I can't say I can match the site photos to that spot.]
Last edited by archae86; 10th May 2012 at 04:49.
Reason: confess error
Impact into a near vertical cliff just under a ridge - very reminescent of the Norwegin herc location, here jungle substituting snow.
If the flight path circling the mountain posted yesterday is correct, it appears to be a case of a low level scenic flight gone wrong. Have been on various manufacturer demonstration flights myself, maneouvres that would not be permissible on a revenue passenger service are routinely performed to impress the press and potential buyers.
