l wonder about the sobriety of the passengers who flung themselves on
the legal Captain, and instantly flung him to the ground.
Cattle class may have gone too far.
ls it possible to drink and drugs test the fat arsed pikie bast*rds prior
to boarding ?
He was no longer the "legal Captain". The First Officer had assumed command because the Captain was incapacitated. His his training and duty would have given him no other choice. I believe he also made a PA instructing the Cabin Crew and passengers to restrain him.
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I was just reading earlier this this week that polydipsia (excessive water consumption) is not uncommon is patients with schizophrenia. Of course, I have no idea what happened here, but that might be one way the facts could fit together.
Polydipsia, along with polyuria (having to pee a lot) is also a symptom of diabetes. It's possible that the captain had a diabetic episode. Very low blood sugar can cause symptoms that look a lot like schizophrenia. So rather than a mental case, maybe this is just an illness.
Would not the Captain be held in a federal mental institution rather than a general fed/county prison? Totally appalling the way this poor man is being treated by the authorities, his family must be so distraught.
Oh come on. Regardless of WHY he did what he did, you can't vaguely threaten a flying airliner when you are its captain, and expect to not have a rough go of it. Petty criminals are treated much worse in our local jails. Particularly the lower albedo ones.
Daz, the nearest Federal Medical Center is in Ft. Worth Texas. However, it houses only female inmates. Possibly the closest Federal facility for males in custody would be at Rochester Minnesota, near the famous Mayo Clinic. But if he were transferred to Minnesota, the Federal courts in that state would not have jurisdiction as the crime(s) Osbon is charged with did not occur in/over Minnesota.
The Federal government very often lodges those in custody, after an arrest and before/during trial, in state or local government jails. Robert Reid, the 'shoebomber' was kept at the Plymouth County jail in Massachusetts before his trial. However, once convicted and sentenced, an individual, with few exceptions, is lodged at a Federal prison. All the necessary psychiatric and medical evaluations can readily be done at these state and local facilities.
I think Federal Jurisdiction is "Mobile". It carries State to State. The bottom line in today's Law, is the separate Branches of the federal Government are not on the same page.
Our President, whose Department of Justice is the authority in Federally charged crimes, has told the Supreme Court to "Long walk/Short pier". The Appeals Court has stabbed back; Our entire system of Authority is in erm.....flux.
I haven't seen evidence the Government is doing what it can't, only what it 'should not' expressed in settled Law and expectations.
Captain Osbon 'chose' an inopportune time to act as he did. I am also aware of a Drunken Captain who was severely punished for his escapades, to reacquire licensure and a new and respectful reputation in his airline. This too shall pass.
Sometimes one has to wait, to see, to understand, different problems. The FED is in limits, imho. I don't like it; but that is a separate issue?
You are just now noticing this awful wretched fact? What about all the poor black people who are rousted for the most trivial crimes (e.g. loitering) brought before the judge in jail togs and manacled hand and foot? I guess that is OK by you because they are not airline captains. Yes, it is horrible - you can blame the "justo-tainment" industry (Nancy Grace, Judge Judy and other monsters), right-wing "law and order" types who understand neither law nor order, well, I could go on for hours. The justice system is horribly broken - and who broke it? Look in the mirror. WE did.
Restraints are used for the protection of both the accused and the cops. It's the same way that the cuffs go on when you get a ride in the cop car.
This guy flipped out once, and he's a big guy, a 250-pounder according to what I read. It's a lot simpler to have him already restrained, compared to having to wrassle him down and hog-tie him, if he loses it under the stress of his circumstances. You could just imagine how people would react if he were to injure someone or be injured himself after an unrestrained outburst similar the one he had on the aircraft.
I used to transport Federal prisoners occasionally in a small aircraft. Those guys were thoroughly restrained, and dosed with a tranquilizer, plus it was two guards to one prisoner. It was nothing personal, believe me!
Ahh yes, it can be justified. Chucks just told you why. Its a system of protection for all involved. If this chap flipped out at the court house while not restrained and hurt someone, ALL of you who are currently bemoaning the fact that he is in shackles would without doubt decry the justice system for being lax, or unprepared. You just remember that. I hope the Captain gets the mental help required and makes a speedy recovery.
Being an airline captain does not exempt you from following customary procedure to deal with violating US laws. Interfering with a crew member does not exempt the captain if he is interfering with the safe operation of an aircraft from getting the same treatment.
I hope he gets the help he needs but he can't expect special treatment because he was the captain that went out of control.
Maybe just maybe He had an argument with the F/O that caused the F/O to get so angry that he locked him out of the cockpit, when he went out to relieve himself. Then, maybe just maybe, the Captain got so angry about being locked out that he went berserk. And, the captain is still berserk about it. I WOULD BE There are crazy F/O's out there too folks. Just because the F/O decided the captain had lost it does'nt mean its a fact. An interesting case, which will be a great debating topic in all areas of industry. Are all your nuclear power workers stable ? who makes the call ?
Maybe just maybe He had an argument with the F/O that caused the F/O to get so angry that he locked him out of the cockpit, when he went out to relieve himself. Then, maybe just maybe, the Captain got so angry about being locked out that he went berserk.
I believe the NTSB got control of the DCVR, which is probably a two hour recording, at least.
Looks like Osbon's problem may not be temporary. A judge ordered a psych exam today (Wednesday):
There is reason to believe Osbon "may presently be suffering from a mental disease or defect rendering him mentally incompetent" to understand the case against him and assist in his defense, the U.S. Attorney's Office said in a Texas court filing.
Probably a small point, but if Capt Osbon was initially responsible for the aircraft as aircraft commander as it departed, was he ever formally relieved of his duties (other than by being overpowered)? If not, it would be understandable that he would react physically to the unexplained (to him) assault on his person and the usurping of his authority. This would weaken the Federal case against him.
Granted, it appears completely necessary that he needed to be removed from command given his mental state, and it it would have been foolish for the copilot to personally address the Captain under the circumstances in that aircraft to formally relieve him. It is just that the legal case against him may be flawed by these events.