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Old 23rd Dec 2011, 19:02   #41 (permalink)
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No, unless we have to - not very often.
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Old 23rd Dec 2011, 21:49   #42 (permalink)
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Look's as either this story has been sold to STV, Or STV reads PPRuNe...

Flight turned back after pilots began feeling 'lightheaded' | Scotland | STV News

Quoted, Word to word:

"at this point there were defined worried faces across all off attendants, next thing was an o2 cylinder and mask taken forward and we were heading back to LHR at great speed"
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Old 23rd Dec 2011, 23:12   #43 (permalink)
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Interesting that the "aviation experts" surmise that perhaps it was caused by a drop in cockpit pressurization, as though it's a separate capsule. A locked door can't seal it -that- well, can it?
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Old 23rd Dec 2011, 23:21   #44 (permalink)
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batboy1970...I fully sympathise with you. You picked on some unpalatable news about BA or any such airlines and you will get the cabal of pilots and aviation professional coming hard at you to belittle you so much so that you will want to drop out of PPRuNe. Pick up on little incidents about any Asian, African or third world airlines and you have all of them coming out in droves to trash all the non-Western pilots wholesale as incompetent and wholly responsible for all sorts of imagined misadventure they can conjure.

Do not lose heart, there will be the odd PPruner who will give you the right answers or at the very least a balanced opinion.

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Old 23rd Dec 2011, 23:27   #45 (permalink)
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I have had several similar instances all be it from cabin crew when the the flow control was selected to "low Flow" when carrying a reduced number of pax. Always solved by selection of normal flow.
Just a thought in these fuel conscious days.
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Old 24th Dec 2011, 00:29   #46 (permalink)
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you will get the cabal of pilots and aviation professional coming hard at you
Is there any possibility, perhaps, just a wee bit, that it's because the name of this forum used to be Professional Pilots Rumour Network? Now PPRuNe stands for Passengers, Promoters and Rubes Network.
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Old 24th Dec 2011, 01:04   #47 (permalink)
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Bobbsy, NO, masks did not drop, what happened was some time after the initial PA one of the attendants, took an oxygen cylinder complete with mask to the flight deck, it was after landing that another attendant confirmed that they (the pilots) had been on oxygen.
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Old 24th Dec 2011, 01:12   #48 (permalink)
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Sounds like we (PPrune) are still debating the facts vs rumors and at the same time the veracity of the messenger.

I think that is par for the course as long as we don't get personal.

at this point I have no idea what the true facts are, other than it landed safely and we (Pprune) will never really know for sure.

keep those rumours coming it's as interesting as reading a tabloid
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Old 24th Dec 2011, 01:23   #49 (permalink)
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I am an Airbus Training Captain with another airline, but listening to this would tell me this was a potentially very serious incident and the pilots were indeed right to make great haste back to Heathrow. A loss of consciousness or capability to both pilots is potentially catastrophic - similar to Helios in Athens some years ago. It is a million to one long shot that both pilot should be disabled - quite rightly the Captain would not be hanging about in his efforts to get on the ground. That does not strike me as panic - just pure common sense.
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Old 24th Dec 2011, 02:05   #50 (permalink)
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An immediate mayday and return to land is my first thought if things are happening in the aircraft that are out of your control like fumes throughout the cabin and cockpit which happened on one of my flights. Get on the ground and get your passengers off. Let the Chiefs second guess you as much as they want. They weren't there. You were. Remember Swissair 111? They crashed following company procedure.
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Old 24th Dec 2011, 08:23   #51 (permalink)
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At least we can get on with stuffing the bird knowing that "The Air Accident Investigation Branch has opened an investigation." according to STV news, so we will know soon enough.
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Old 24th Dec 2011, 09:52   #52 (permalink)
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Other recent crew incapacitations (or nearly) – What’s going on?

Accident: TUIFly B737 at London and enroute on Oct 20th 2011, captain and two cabin crew unwell
Incident: Lufthansa A320 near Dusseldorf on Oct 7th 2011, first officer incapacitated
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Old 24th Dec 2011, 14:19   #53 (permalink)
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Oh well, there ya go. I set out to ask a genuine question about something I was involved in and now have thge answer, I'm not a big PPRuNe user and its little wonder. The question that springs to mind now is, when the CAA and involved crew actually make statements as per the link, is it a general rule that you will now attempt to belittle them and question there integrity, with statements like stick to the facts "there's a good chap".....

So in a nutshell sometimes YOU don't have a clue who are posting these comments and what knowledge and expierience they have, however as an OP we clearly have a good idea of one or two who are responding.

Poor show to some of you, I hope you read the quotations and firmly felt like the fools you now look.

Again to the positive responders thank you very much indeed, your probably enjoying a good quality of air with your heads NOT being up your own ar*es
Quite right !! nice to see some self obsessed (insert word for self stimulation) being reminded that they are not in fact superhuman.

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Old 24th Dec 2011, 15:45   #54 (permalink)
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Do not lose heart, there will be the odd PPruner who will give you the right answers or at the very least a balanced opinion.
Not if he goes about sensationalising what actually happened on board!
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Old 25th Dec 2011, 06:21   #55 (permalink)
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One curiosity for me that hasn't been discussed is that 20 mins into the flight would mean they were well enroute (assuming the OP meant 20mins from t/o) and with the compromise to safety being speculated why they didn't go to East Midlands or Manchester - would that not have been a quicker way to get on the ground than returning to LHR? This suggests to me that whilst the crew were concerned it wasn't a critical/'Mayday' incident....
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Old 25th Dec 2011, 07:42   #56 (permalink)
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Miken, when we landed the pilot over the PA said that R/T LHRwas actually the best thing to do 'in this situation'.
One of the reasons given was that it guaranteed the passengers could get onto our final destination.
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Old 25th Dec 2011, 07:59   #57 (permalink)
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cyan's post

"The comment about the rebreathing bag on portable O2 cylinder is utter rubbish by the way. The bag is there to accommodate the peak inspiratory flow rate during spontaneous respiration. If a patient is not spontaneously breathing then resuscitation is required. Fortunately cabin crew are well trained and know this. "
Just to clear up confusion:a rebreath bag is used when there is not spontaneous respiration.The bag is squeezed to inflate the lungs when the patient is not able to do so himself, 2 times to 30 chest compressions if there is also cardiac arrest due to inhalation shock.Portable cylinder required,because the patient would need to out of their seat for the chest compressions to be effective.That would be why the purser brought it.
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Old 25th Dec 2011, 08:45   #58 (permalink)
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That would be why the purser brought it.
Except they didn't

Not certain you understand BA standard equipment or on-board SEP.
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Old 25th Dec 2011, 08:56   #59 (permalink)
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Just going on the info in post 50.Thought it was worth not misinforming about emergency equipment, that is all.No offence intended.
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Old 25th Dec 2011, 09:42   #60 (permalink)
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Think you're getting confused between the rebreather bag attached to an O2 mask (i.e. on the drop downs- some have/some do not) also on some portable bottle masks and an Ambu-Bag... semi-rigid large "zeppelin" shaped bag used as described above by medical professionals during resuscitation. (attaches to the artificial airway inserted)

Not sure about BA but most airlines have this onboard for medical professional, not cabin crew, use.

FYI for those who were asking the "SCCM/purser to the flight deck" call not only summs that person but lets the other crew know to get to a station to answer a cabin call giving more information. I.e, stop the service something important is happening. Usually this would also tell us to secure the carts/galleys in readiness for a return (but not always)
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