13 killed in Philippines plane crash
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13 killed in Philippines plane crash
(CNN) -- A small plane crashed near the Philippine capital Saturday after its pilot requested an emergency landing, killing at least 13 people, CNN affiliate ABS-CBN reported.
The plane started a fire that scorched a nearby school and about 50 homes near Manila, a local mayor told the affiliate.
At least 20 other people were injured.
The plane reported problems shortly after taking off from an airport, the affiliate reported.
One of the pilots put out an emergency request to land at Ninoy Aquino International Airport in Manila but did not make it.
13 killed in Philippines plane crash - CNN.com
The plane started a fire that scorched a nearby school and about 50 homes near Manila, a local mayor told the affiliate.
At least 20 other people were injured.
The plane reported problems shortly after taking off from an airport, the affiliate reported.
One of the pilots put out an emergency request to land at Ninoy Aquino International Airport in Manila but did not make it.
13 killed in Philippines plane crash - CNN.com
Sadly, being reported as a 4 seater cargo plane. Two pilots & one pax killed along with at least 10 on the ground.
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Conflicting reports...
I've read several reports, from different reporting agencies, on this incident... and I don't think any of them have given me a consistent report at all...
The first one I red stated it was a small single engine 4-seater, so i figured it was a Cessna 172 perhaps. Then I read another one stating it was a multi-engine. A third report stated there were 3 passengers on board, while a fourth claimed the passenger count was 5...
After that I took a chance and ran a search on the reported tail number, RP-C 824, and found this: ASN Aircraft accident 10-DEC-2011 Beechcraft 65-80 Queen Air RP-C824
The first one I red stated it was a small single engine 4-seater, so i figured it was a Cessna 172 perhaps. Then I read another one stating it was a multi-engine. A third report stated there were 3 passengers on board, while a fourth claimed the passenger count was 5...
After that I took a chance and ran a search on the reported tail number, RP-C 824, and found this: ASN Aircraft accident 10-DEC-2011 Beechcraft 65-80 Queen Air RP-C824
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From eye witness accounts - not always reliable - it appears to have spun in.If it did this probably reduced the casualties as the crash area would be smaller than if it glided in at a shallow angle.I was in this area about 3 weeks ago and can confirm it is a densely packed populated place. The death toll could have been much higher also if it had been a weekday when the school would be open.
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Incredible footage. Really too grainy to tell what is going on. The airspeed does not seem unusually slow for that type, so I wonder if it was some sort of prop control issue. I wish the rudder was clearer, but it does seem to be momentarily at full deflection.
Gives you a bit of perspective at how quick it happens. I remember long time ago doing VMC demos, 5000ft being the lowest allowable height. I can see why.
Gives you a bit of perspective at how quick it happens. I remember long time ago doing VMC demos, 5000ft being the lowest allowable height. I can see why.
5000ft! you were lucky - we started off at 300ft south of the Isle of Wight - had full asymmetric power and the stall warning on by 500ft.
Ludicrous exercise that was eventually stopped after a few crashes.
Ludicrous exercise that was eventually stopped after a few crashes.
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I remember long time ago doing VMC demos, 5000ft being the lowest allowable height.
Ludicrous exercise that was eventually stopped after a few crashes
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*sigh!*
There but for the grace of god go I.
In a position of being too low, too slow; The fabled light twin adage of one engine fails, the other takes you to scene of the crash is indeed apt in many cases.
R.D. Campbell, in his book, Multi Engine Rating covers the effects of asymmetric flight well. Not only should be a coveted text for initial, but also a continued review and re-reading from time to time.
I can only offer my condolences to those on the ground and their families and to wish an eternity of blue skies to those in the aircraft.
There but for the grace of god go I.
In a position of being too low, too slow; The fabled light twin adage of one engine fails, the other takes you to scene of the crash is indeed apt in many cases.
R.D. Campbell, in his book, Multi Engine Rating covers the effects of asymmetric flight well. Not only should be a coveted text for initial, but also a continued review and re-reading from time to time.
When an engine fails at low airspeed, the effectiveness of the rudder in counteracting yaw is reduced, but directional control can be assisted by banking the aircraft towards the operating engine. It should nevertheless be appreciated that care must be used in relation to the amount of bank applied.
This is because when bank is used the amount of lift directly opposing weight will be reduced and therefore either the angle of attack, or the airspeed, or both, will need to be increased to replace the lost lift. These measures will also create more drag and a further increase in thrust will be demanded. Extra thrust may not be available and in any case increased thrust will worsen the degree of asymmetry.
Further to this, when bank is used the balance indicator will show a condition of sideslip and the pilot will not therefore be able to estimate the degree of balance being achieved , and little or no warning of an approaching critical condition may exist.
This is because when bank is used the amount of lift directly opposing weight will be reduced and therefore either the angle of attack, or the airspeed, or both, will need to be increased to replace the lost lift. These measures will also create more drag and a further increase in thrust will be demanded. Extra thrust may not be available and in any case increased thrust will worsen the degree of asymmetry.
Further to this, when bank is used the balance indicator will show a condition of sideslip and the pilot will not therefore be able to estimate the degree of balance being achieved , and little or no warning of an approaching critical condition may exist.
Ref: RD Campbell, Multi Engine Rating
I can only offer my condolences to those on the ground and their families and to wish an eternity of blue skies to those in the aircraft.
