comms lost over Belgium
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comms lost over Belgium
2 F16's from Dutch Mil were able to inform pilot of civilian flight from Barcelona to Stockholm with hand signals to resume communications after comms were lost over Belgium.
Planes broke the sound barrier over Friesland when catching up the airliner
NOS Nieuws - F-16's achtervolgen verkeersvliegtuig
Planes broke the sound barrier over Friesland when catching up the airliner
NOS Nieuws - F-16's achtervolgen verkeersvliegtuig
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From Belgium (mid) to Friesland must be 200 nautical miles.... so max 30 minutes without comms triggers 2 F16's...
Perhaps they were discussing the new rota...
Perhaps they were discussing the new rota...
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They were most probably already without comms before entering Belgium (i.e. over France). The French will report this to Maastricht Control and if no contact is made within a certain period of time the Air Defence chappies will make the decision to scramble. As I said, it's good fun for the F-16 jockeys on what would otherwise be another boring day 
As for what the crew were doing, well I guess they must have thought it was another quiet day in some of Europes busiest airspace
As for what the crew were doing, well I guess they must have thought it was another quiet day in some of Europes busiest airspace
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Not uncommon.
Comms were lost already in France, well before CMB. MILs were very active today anyway so it was probably a welcome distraction.
Somebody at JKK will probably be having tea with no biscuits before too long.
To fly for an hour or more in European airspace without comms is borderline stupidity and not easily explainable.
Comms were lost already in France, well before CMB. MILs were very active today anyway so it was probably a welcome distraction.
Somebody at JKK will probably be having tea with no biscuits before too long.
To fly for an hour or more in European airspace without comms is borderline stupidity and not easily explainable.
To fly for an hour or more in European airspace without comms is borderline stupidity and not easily explainable.
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Spanair A320 over Belgium
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it came now over the Avherald news
Spanair A320 over Belgium on May 20th 2011, loss comm
Incident: Spanair A320 over Belgium on May 20th 2011, loss comm
it came now over the Avherald news
Spanair A320 over Belgium on May 20th 2011, loss comm
Incident: Spanair A320 over Belgium on May 20th 2011, loss comm
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To fly for an hour or more in European airspace without comms is borderline stupidity and not easily explainable
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Pls get your facts right...
Well, JK have managed to land at the wrong airport in Spain (Seville instead of Malaga, IIRC)...
Excuse me for the off topic
Dear 172, ill informed and compulsive/avid Pprune poster...
It was not MALAGA, it was Santiago were they landed. And it was not a JKK airplane. It was a JKK flight operated by a Swedish company (maybe wrong here...) on wet lease for JKK. Theirs ops people confused SVQ (sevilla) with SCQ Santiago de Compostela and issued the crew a flight plan to SCQ.
Excuse me for the off topic
Dear 172, ill informed and compulsive/avid Pprune poster...
It was not MALAGA, it was Santiago were they landed. And it was not a JKK airplane. It was a JKK flight operated by a Swedish company (maybe wrong here...) on wet lease for JKK. Theirs ops people confused SVQ (sevilla) with SCQ Santiago de Compostela and issued the crew a flight plan to SCQ.
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The radio doesn't just stop working! You may fly out of range of the ground station - but can still hear the traffic from the air stations - and if that traffic is busy enough you still have a more or less constant chatter. Fly for long enough and you will begin to hear the next ground station on a similar frequency. Factor in English as a second language ...
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WS Ahead is right.
Anyway, the issue is that Spanairīs Crew did not follow the procedures related to communication. Bearing in mind that Spanair is involved in many financial problems, some incidents and unfortunatley an accident, pilots had to have been performing their duties on board in relation to radio communication. I mean, the Company is in the hole of the Huracan for many reasons and there are a lot of worried employees about the continuation in the aviation market.
Both pilots will have to be questioned about it.
The Company does not need incompetent pilots who increase the bad reputation and problems.
Anyway, the issue is that Spanairīs Crew did not follow the procedures related to communication. Bearing in mind that Spanair is involved in many financial problems, some incidents and unfortunatley an accident, pilots had to have been performing their duties on board in relation to radio communication. I mean, the Company is in the hole of the Huracan for many reasons and there are a lot of worried employees about the continuation in the aviation market.
Both pilots will have to be questioned about it.
The Company does not need incompetent pilots who increase the bad reputation and problems.
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@ Wind shear ahead
You are absolutely right! It Was a Swedish company that mixed up the destinations, it is out of existance since about 3 years.
To be fair to the crew, ops failed to mention the new destination and issued flight plans to SCQ instead of SVQ. Since SCQ was a regular destination out of BCN nobody raised an eyebrow in the cockpit.
The language barrier between cabin and cockpit did not exactly help! At the end of the day everybody was home safe...
Quite a few other incidents this summer with the same airline should have raised some eyebrows though. I have always wondered why it did not!
You are absolutely right! It Was a Swedish company that mixed up the destinations, it is out of existance since about 3 years.
To be fair to the crew, ops failed to mention the new destination and issued flight plans to SCQ instead of SVQ. Since SCQ was a regular destination out of BCN nobody raised an eyebrow in the cockpit.
The language barrier between cabin and cockpit did not exactly help! At the end of the day everybody was home safe...
Quite a few other incidents this summer with the same airline should have raised some eyebrows though. I have always wondered why it did not!