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Old 5th Mar 2011, 09:53   #1 (permalink)
 
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An-148 down in Russia

Flight reporting an Antonov 148 crash in Russia. This doesn't sound good.

An-148 crashes in Russia on test flight: ministry
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Old 5th Mar 2011, 14:08   #2 (permalink)
 
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Aircraft was for the (Burma) Myanma Air Force, and was on a pre-delivery familiarisation flight, two crew from Burma, 4 from VASO.

Aircraft was registration 61708, serial number 41-03.

http://russianplanes.net/REGS/61708 Photos
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Old 5th Mar 2011, 17:47   #3 (permalink)
 
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Aviation Herald reporting an in-flight break up.

Crash: Antonov A148 near Voronezh on Mar 5th 2011, in flight break up
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Old 5th Mar 2011, 19:44   #4 (permalink)
 
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I seriously doubt witness statements at this time, however it should be straight forward to assess at the wreckage site.
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Old 5th Mar 2011, 20:14   #5 (permalink)
 
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Witness statements are notorious, of course, but two areas of debris separated by 3km is a different story.
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Old 5th Mar 2011, 21:57   #6 (permalink)
 
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I muss say that an in flight breakup of a brand new commercial airplane is rather worrying.
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Old 5th Mar 2011, 22:53   #7 (permalink)
 
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Wait for the investigation to conclude.

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Old 5th Mar 2011, 23:43   #8 (permalink)
 
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If you don't want to "discuss" an accident until after the investigation concludes, don't read the thread.

Simple.
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Old 6th Mar 2011, 00:31   #9 (permalink)
 
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Witness statements are notorious, of course, but two areas of debris separated by 3km is a different story.
Agree

so do we have confirmation of this before we start worrying ?
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There is now a link to a personal blog (of a person who seems to be an insider in the factory) appeared at the Echo of Moscow internet site.

He seems to be very angry, blames in the accident firing of qualified factory personnel back in 1993, well, rather, mass dismissal due to perestroyka, he does not name the reason of the crash direct but there
is a phrase there "... so now is no wonder that a wing falls off."

Other home ideas are two Myanmar pilots in the command who were not run through obligatory trainng on simulators before the flight, but began their training right in the air.
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Old 6th Mar 2011, 01:41   #11 (permalink)
 
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Agree

so do we have confirmation of this before we start worrying ?
This is from Simon Hradecky's Avherald.com:

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Russia's Emergency Ministry (MCHS) confirmed finding debris of the aircraft about 3km from the actual crash site, the airplane began to break up in flight. Both crash site and debris site have been cordoned off.
I checked the MCHS sight and couldn't find anything about separate debris fields, however.
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"...two Myanmar pilots in the command who were not run through obligatory trainng on simulators before the flight, but began their training right in the air."

Wow. Just like we used to do it. So that makes a wing fall off?
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Old 6th Mar 2011, 04:43   #13 (permalink)
 
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It's certainly a possibility. Question is, did the wing fail because of a manufacturing fault, or was it overstressed in flight due to pilot actions. The answer will come out in the investigation which MAK are now carrying out.
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Old 6th Mar 2011, 06:42   #14 (permalink)
 
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For those wishing to avoid speculation -

2011 Antonov An-148 crash - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
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Old 6th Mar 2011, 08:03   #15 (permalink)
 
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AvHerald is probably just quoting some other publication quoting MOE. It's not first-hand info.

As for Wikipedia...yeah, that the best resource. I've seen two basic inaccuracies in that entry already, without reading it in depth.
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Old 6th Mar 2011, 10:46   #16 (permalink)
 
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"...did the wing fail because of a manufacturing fault, or was it overstressed in flight..."

Hardly the only reasons why a wing might fail.
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Old 6th Mar 2011, 13:25   #17 (permalink)
 
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No need to do the investigation, Wikipedia already has the cause.
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Old 6th Mar 2011, 13:36   #18 (permalink)
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GobonaStick, "some other publication" directly quotes the regional EMERCOM honcho Anatoly Skumatov.
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Old 6th Mar 2011, 13:43   #19 (permalink)
 
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For those wishing to avoid speculation -
1. Wikipedia refers Simon Hradecky's Avherald.com for the piece on detached wing.

2. Wikipedia refers to FlightGlobal when saying "The accident has been compared to the December 2002 crash of an Antonov An-140 in Iran.[6]" FlightGlobal's text says: "The loss of the aircraft is uncomfortably reminiscent of Antonov's previous airliner programme, the An-140 turboprop, an early production example of which - flown by Kharkov-based manufacturer KSAMC's test pilots - crashed in Iran in December 2002." Not wanting to say this is not good journalism on FlightGlobal's part, but the Iran accident was "While descending towards Isfahan in an area of poor visibility, the aircraft collided with a mountain" according to ASF database.

Those were just two examples.

One is well advised to accept speculation as speculation, at least when the source priority is speed of communication, while conclusive information is not available. Discussion on speculation should not, however, be restricted, just identified as such.
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Old 6th Mar 2011, 17:19   #20 (permalink)
 
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Sigh. Flightglobal's comparison with loss of the An-140 is nothing to do with the cause of the accident, but the fact that both programmes lost an airframe having barely started serial production. That's all.
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